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spaylady
THE VIEW....recap

Elizabeth really softened up on her view of Obama and got teary eyed! Overnight she seems to have 'accepted' him as our pres. (despite all the full force judgment she used on him in the past w/re: to Rev Wright & anything she picked up on fox news.)

Whoopi said it now feels like she "can put her suitcase down", Shari started crying.....it got v. emotional. I can't as a white woman knock them. I can't profess to feel things the way an African American can feel but I feel some impact. And it IS touching.

If we can just be more about loving one another rather than tearing ea other apart.......and it includes the tabloids w/the celebritites too, I think.
LicenseForMayhem
QUOTE (grieker @ Nov 5 2008, 01:14 PM) *
If they said it and meant it, they should be forced to leave.


They are mouth runners and would have lots of help for packing. wink.gif
grieker
QUOTE (wrsny337 @ Nov 5 2008, 01:10 PM) *
Do some research and think.
If you're complaining about paying taxes, think.
We all pay taxes--all of us.

You're no better than anyone else.


Actually in context with taxes as stated above, I am better than some. That some would be the worthless drain on society kid poppin' lazy people who rely on MY working so they can have my money.

I had to have a drug screen test to get hired and am subject to random screenings now. Those who receive MY money should have drug tests before the money is redistributed to them.

There are very few things I'm "bitter" about, this is certainly one of them.

Some recipients of my redistributed wealth are living better than I am. They don't have to worry where their next meal is coming from. If I get sick or hospitilized which has happened, I don't get paid. They still get my redistributed money regardless of their health or ability to work.

Don't get me wrong. Social programs are needed for those that NEED it. However, the social programs are very much like the "mortgage" industry and have gone unchecked for too long.

Okay off my box now.
wrsny337
QUOTE (solitary @ Nov 5 2008, 01:58 PM) *
Conservatives love this country too much to abandon it, even when it turns on us.


Repub Conservatives "turned on" their own party--based upon election results.
Take a good look at some things that derailed the movement.

Here's one: The shift toward the Religious Right, which isolated many moderates and contributed to their migration to more moderate positions.

Vote by Ideology
McCain 39% / 78% (Mod/Conserv)
Obama 60% / 20% (Mod/Conserv)

http://beta.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

QUOTE (grieker @ Nov 5 2008, 02:22 PM) *
Don't get me wrong. Social programs are needed for those that NEED it. However, the social programs are very much like the "mortgage" industry and have gone unchecked for too long.

Okay off my box now.


I'm with ya: 110%
Accountability.
We don't need more programs, just better programs.
John Eye
Gee! I could have seriously considered voting for the John McCain that delivered the concession speech. Where was he during the campaign?
Freedom
QUOTE (wrsny337 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:10 PM) *
Do some research and think.
If you're complaining about paying taxes, think.
We all pay taxes--all of us.

You're no better than anyone else.


Get your checkbook out, your taxes are definitely going up. I can't wait.

Have a great day!!!
ArtVandolay
QUOTE (Kid Dynamite @ Nov 5 2008, 11:16 AM) *
You must have me confused with some Republican. My candidate won.


Nope, don't think so. Go back and read some of your posts and PMs you send out. I still have em for your review, DB.
tcryder
The Dow dropped 500 points today. I guess technically that's change from yesterday.
Freedom
QUOTE (tcryder @ Nov 5 2008, 06:00 PM) *
The Dow dropped 500 points today. I guess technically that's change from yesterday.


Looks like the Dow isn't too enamored with Obama either..

Have a great day!!!
Bigmaclender2
QUOTE (Freedom @ Nov 5 2008, 05:11 PM) *
Looks like the Dow isn't too enamored with Obama either..

Have a great day!!!



What's that I hear???? Oh, it's the chickens coming home..................TO ROOST!!!!!!!
wrsny337
QUOTE (Freedom @ Nov 5 2008, 04:08 PM) *
Get your checkbook out, your taxes are definitely going up. I can't wait.

Have a great day!!!


I don't make $250k;
I'm not rich.
Even so, I have little problem with paying my share of taxes--except for Iraq.

You'd think folk would complain more about Dubya's $10 billion/month Iraq price tag.
To date: $568,695,908,375
Me and my spouse's contribution to date: nearly $10k
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

And, thank you, I've had a great day!!!
Freedom
QUOTE (Bigmaclender2 @ Nov 5 2008, 08:50 PM) *
What's that I hear???? Oh, it's the chickens coming home..................TO ROOST!!!!!!!


Nahhh...have your moment in the sun. When democrats have this kind of power (both houses and the WH)...they famously fall on their faces...let the games begin..

Have a great day!!
wrsny337
QUOTE (Freedom @ Nov 5 2008, 07:11 PM) *
Looks like the Dow isn't too enamored with Obama either..

Have a great day!!!


How fickle.
solitary
QUOTE (wrsny337 @ Nov 5 2008, 08:42 PM) *
I don't make $250k;
I'm not rich.
Even so, I have little problem with paying my share of taxes--except for Iraq.

You'd think folk would complain more about Dubya's $10 billion/month Iraq price tag.
To date: $568,695,908,375
Me and my spouse's contribution to date: nearly $10k
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

And, thank you, I've had a great day!!!
Actually, it starts over 75k http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=..._6c6PySZ6U51RdQ
Do the calculator, under 65, single, no dependants, you get a whole lot of bupkis under O's plan. Under McCain (according to NewsDay, its' a $0 change for everybody) The biggest change is for those who make less than 10k a year. A whopping $673. I didn't know my vote was worth $600 if I made so little. (keep in mind, at this salary, you get a kickback from the earned income credit of $4,000 depending on your status). This is paid by those who make more than $125k, they get taxed an additional $2225 and as your income exceeds that, it increases exponentially, 2m/year, another hundred and ten grand, that's an extra 6% on top of what they already pay.
Making these points are moot, he's been elected, and the law hasn't changed yet, I'm sure the plan will change.
Depending on how much it changes, I think you'll see more support for the "flat tax".
CannotBeSoNaive
QUOTE (wrsny337 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:10 PM) *
Do some research and think.
If you're complaining about paying taxes, think.
We all pay taxes--all of us.

You're no better than anyone else.



Yes we all have to pay too many taxes and have to work too hard to make the money to pay them... when you start a business you have to work twice as hard to make the money you want to make, and someone should realize that you should not be penalized for that.

Someone who makes 250k with three kids is not rolling in it if they have overhead. Then when you leave the money behind for the kids that was taxed at a higher rate to begin with Obama will take another 50% inheritance tax... so you spend your weekends, holidays, and evenings away from home to provide and then you get to enjoy 25% of it in the end. It's ridiculous... if someone wants to make more money they need to work for it not stand in line... look at your golden boy "Poor black man whose grandmother did..." rags to riches right... "all it takes is determination...YES WE CAN" take a note from your fearless leader.
Freedom
QUOTE (wrsny337 @ Nov 5 2008, 10:46 PM) *
How fickle.


Wow!!! Two days in a row the DOW tanks over 400 points. Wall street really can't stand our new President-elect...at this rate the DOW will be in negative numbers by the time the annointed one takes office. No worries though, all he has to do is lay his hands on the dow, bless it, and the clouds will part, the sun will shine and the DOW will heal itself...

Have a great day!!!
mnepats52
QUOTE (Freedom @ Nov 6 2008, 09:10 PM) *
Wow!!! Two days in a row the DOW tanks over 400 points. Wall street really can't stand our new President-elect...at this rate the DOW will be in negative numbers by the time the annointed one takes office.



Wall Street is bracing for the release of the Labor Department's October employment report today. Stocks went into a tailspin again yesterday. As investors remained worried amid predictions of disappointing October retail sales and weak outlooks from both Cisco and Toyota, the Dow plummeted 443 points. - 11/07/08

conservatives...

the gift that keeps on giving...

hilarious...






AngelFace
QUOTE (mnepats52 @ Nov 7 2008, 11:23 AM) *
Wall Street is bracing for the release of the Labor Department's October employment report today. Stocks went into a tailspin again yesterday. As investors remained worried amid predictions of disappointing October retail sales and weak outlooks from both Cisco and Toyota, the Dow plummeted 443 points. - 11/07/08

conservatives...

the gift that keeps on giving...

hilarious...


obama election ...

the gift to investors and wall street

that will keep on giving for four more years ...

wall street prognosticators warned of a huge sell-off

if obama won ....

investors are taking their money before obama

doubles cap gains tax ... (politic, and us news - ben smith)

dems: redistributing the wealth
PedroHead
Great post. Obama will raise a whole new group of lazy people and, sad to say, most will be minorities and they will be living off of those who worked hard to get ahead. Everyone who wanted "change" needs to remember that "change" is not necessarily a positive. I have no problem if he wants to raise taxes, but do it for everyone; stop discriminating against one class.

Likewise, wake up and realize the folly of the entire idea. Someone making 250 in Manhatten is barely getting by. Is it really fair to tax them the same as the guy making 250k in Lubbock, TX?

QUOTE (CannotBeSoNaive @ Nov 6 2008, 05:21 PM) *
Yes we all have to pay too many taxes and have to work too hard to make the money to pay them... when you start a business you have to work twice as hard to make the money you want to make, and someone should realize that you should not be penalized for that.

Someone who makes 250k with three kids is not rolling in it if they have overhead. Then when you leave the money behind for the kids that was taxed at a higher rate to begin with Obama will take another 50% inheritance tax... so you spend your weekends, holidays, and evenings away from home to provide and then you get to enjoy 25% of it in the end. It's ridiculous... if someone wants to make more money they need to work for it not stand in line... look at your golden boy "Poor black man whose grandmother did..." rags to riches right... "all it takes is determination...YES WE CAN" take a note from your fearless leader.
PedroHead
The sad thing is that a total moron could be in office the next four years and that same total moron will get credit for turning around the mkt even if nothing gets done. The mkt moves in economic cycles and now we are in a bad one. Four years from we will likely be in a good one. Obama will get the credit and he will have nothing to do with it.

QUOTE (Freedom @ Nov 6 2008, 07:10 PM) *
Wow!!! Two days in a row the DOW tanks over 400 points. Wall street really can't stand our new President-elect...at this rate the DOW will be in negative numbers by the time the annointed one takes office. No worries though, all he has to do is lay his hands on the dow, bless it, and the clouds will part, the sun will shine and the DOW will heal itself...

Have a great day!!!
mam0412
QUOTE (Freedom @ Nov 6 2008, 08:10 PM) *
Wow!!! Two days in a row the DOW tanks over 400 points. Wall street really can't stand our new President-elect...at this rate the DOW will be in negative numbers by the time the annointed one takes office. No worries though, all he has to do is lay his hands on the dow, bless it, and the clouds will part, the sun will shine and the DOW will heal itself...

Have a great day!!!

Do a little fact checking on the history of the DOW dropping after EVERY Presidential election.
mnepats52
QUOTE (AngelFace @ Nov 7 2008, 12:08 PM) *
obama election ...



my post was in response to an earlier post..blaming obama's election for the drop in the markets..

now you say...they are up because obama?

at least you on the right are consistant...

who knew after the election might be more entertaining...

than before?
mnepats52
QUOTE (PedroHead @ Nov 7 2008, 12:25 PM) *
Four years from we will likely be in a good one. Obama will get the credit and he will have nothing to do with it.



i thought tax cuts solve everything....

and deficits don't matter

and now...bush is just a victim of the invisibile hand?

gop: its never because of us...
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