My daughter came home from school yesterday very upset. She said that there are some kids at school that make a show of waving their confederate flags and making racist comments to the black students. Yesterday, she said that these kids were driving around the parking lot waving the flag and throwing garbage at some black students. They were making comments like, "Bow down to me like your ancestors did." I was horrified and plan on calling the school today to complain. My daughter said several teachers witnessed the events yet did nothing to stop it.

Wouldn't throwing garbage and yelling racial epitaphs at the the black students be considered harassment and assault? Why weren't the cops called? I think calling the school is a good idea, but this kind of behavior needs to be reported to the police as well.

Interesting, I thought Warwick had a police taskforce on site.

These punks should be taken out behind the shed and have the "daylights" kicked out of them.

Spoke to the office this morning and I was told they are aware of the incident and it is being addressed as we speak. Guess I'll have to wait and see what the outcome is.

I wouldn't expect much.

My middle daughter was "beat down" a few years back and the school refused to identify to us (her parents) who this individual was because of "privacy issues". Talk about hot under the collar. I'll tell ya, our society is fully engulfed with a nasty cancer eating away at it.

Is there someone at the newspaper that could look into this story? That might pressure the school into doing the right thing, instead of sweeping it under the carpet so to speak.

I'd write a reporter and see if they can do anything about it.





We better not let subsonix or any of the other racists on here see this. They'll just say they deserved what they got. That whole thing is dispicable.

How do I contact one?

Most of them have emails attached to their stories, or if u go to the contact tab on the right menu bar it brings up editors for the various sections.

Displaying Rebel flag = OK
Making threats = Not OK
Throwing trash =Not OK

People will probably get on my case about this, but I agree with Subsonix's assessment.

So then the threats made to the black kids in Jena was differant? YOu made it sound like that wasn't threating?

I don't know about a Yank displaying the Rebel Flag, just seems wrong on some level

So then displaying the Nazi flag is ok as well?

If you don't get a story from a reporter, at least write a letter to the editor.

This is how the Jena 6 mess got started. I hope the school realizes that punishing the offenders is not the end of this problem. a broader base of support exists in the student body for this kind of behavior to erupt. Instead of circling the wagons like the district lawyers suggest, they need to make sure every student hears about this incident and it becomes a starting point for dialog on the issue. Discussion is what will defuse this situation. Punishment alone only adds to the tension.

I just emailed the editor, with a link to this thread. Hopefully they will look into this mess.

If by OK you mean legal, then yes, it's OK.

You're so emotional that you don't understand the danger of deciding which flags are OK and which aren't.

You've got to wonder what kind of home enviornment these boys come from. I'm sure they learned this behavior at home. I hope this story makes it into the newspaper so parents will realize that children really do follow in our footsteps.

I'm not emotional at all. you were the one who made that first statement. Flying that flag by itself is a form of free speech, your correct. But flying that flag while you run around black kids yelling names at them is not free speech. You can't understand the differance??

So Mexicans & Puerto Ricans displaying their respective flags are OK too then.

Unfortunately, they probably can't. Wonder where their kids go to school? Warwick?

Enough with the flags. They are legal to disply.

As long as they don't fly the stars and stripes below it like that one clown did in Reno recently. I think a lot of your questions can be answered by referring to federal, state and local laws.

The only reason i mentioned the Nazi flag was because it is another flag that causes extreme reactions in people. just like the Rebel Flag. The Mexican and PR flags, not so much.

Flying the flag is 100% legal, I don't care if it's in front of Al Sharpton on Martin Luther King Jr. day on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Threatening black kids while throwing trash at them are the only violations of the law here.

I bring it up because there's always caveats like

We don't legislate "extreme reactions" here. You've got the free will to turn away from flags if you don't want to look at them. Until you're forced to look at them clockwork orange style, your argument has no merit.

Great sonix we get it you hate black people. Thats fine. Move on. Flying that flag while doing those things is a form of intimidation. YOu can't wrap your tiny head around that? If they just drove around with that flag on their car and did nothing more then your right they didn't do anytihng wrong, but once they started calling names and throwing junk along with using that symbol it crosses over the free speech line. Btw what exactly does that flag mean to you? And since you have never lived down south i don't think you know exactly what it means down there.









So then buring a cross in someones yard is ok, because you can jsut turn around and not look at it? Or spray painting something on someones driveway is ok because they don't have to look at it all the time? Come on now.

Flying a flag on your own propery is legal BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

Burning a cross in someone's yard or spraypainting their driveway is illegal BECAUSE IT'S VANDALIZING SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.

How did you make it through school, or did you?

Ok thats great, because its your own property. These kids were on Public Property. You understand the differance? Its a form of intimidataion. Check with a lawyer, they can be brought up on charges for all of it there spanky. And nice little cut at the end, thats very mature too.

Was the vehicle itself public property?

The definition of "indimidation" isn't as all-encompassing as you'd have hoped. If the kids made comments threatening the physical well-being of the other kids, that's against the law. You can't claim "intimidation" every time you see something you don't like. Short of that, it's a matter for the school to handle as it sees fit.

I hope warwick high school plans on having a public meeting for parents about this incident. This is NOT the first time this has happened. If my daughter has the facts straight, and there were adults present that did nothing, then WHS has A LOT of explaining to do! I am disgusted beyond belief to know that this ignorance is going on in our schools.

Exactly. Flying rebel flag = Ok, maybe if your actually from the South.

I went to high school at Penn Manor, and while I was there we experienced some racial tension for the same reason - kids wanted to fly their confederate flags. They argued that they wanted to show pride in their heritage. Too bad the idiots were from Southern Lancaster, not Southern USA.

this is from the dept of ed



What is a racially hostile environment?

A racially hostile environment may be created by oral, written, graphic or physical conduct related to an individual's race, color, or national origin that is sufficiently severe, persistent or pervasive so as to interfere with or limit the ability of an individual to participate in or benefit from the recipient's programs or activities.





It doesn't matter if they said anyting about their physical well-being. if they told them to bow down like their ancestors did thats enough to go on. . Say its about free speech, blah blah. I never argued they didn't have the right to have the flag. if you want to look like a racist moron and fly the rebel flag, go right ahead. Makes it easier to pick out the morons. But theirs nothing illegal about doing that your right. But if you start circling a group of black kids and screaming and throwing stuff at them that crosses the line. Then the flag is being used as harrasesment. Its not just flappingin the breeze.

If I were black in a mostly white school and someone was waving a confederate flag in my face, tossing garbage at me, telling me to "bow down like my ancestors" and calling me the N-word......I THINK I MIGHT BE INTIMIDATED!! Wouldn't you?

Dude i was at PM at the same time. And it had nothing to do with southern heritiage, thats what they said at the time it had to do with intimidation of the Camp Snyder kids who were causing problems at the time.

Yeah, that was kind of my point, indirectly. I'm sure the kids at Warwick will use the same argument to cover up true intentions.

So either the kids need to be put in their place for intentionally intimidating the black kids, or they need to be awakened to the fact that they are not from the South.

Ok i wasn't sure if thats what you were alluding to or not. If you live down south it can be understood that its "heritiage" If you do it up here it just makes you look like a racist boob.

The dept of ed might not like it, it doesn't make it ILLEGAL nor a matter for police to handle. This is why I said this is a matter for the school to deal with as it sees fit, NOT the police. Local law enforcement is not a lapdog for the school districts, it's job is to enforce the law, not school policy. Besides, the definition above is so broad and subjective as to include everything under the sun.

It makes no difference where the kids are from who flew the flag. The rebel flag stands for a lot of things that have nothing to do with slavery. That is, unless you buy the public skool'z santized blue=good, grey=bad idea that the Civil War was fought because lazy southerners would rather die in battle than pick their own cotton.

This thread alone makes it obvious where these ignorant high school kids learn this sort of behavior.

Oh yeah i forgot you lived down south and know all about it? Ok no wait thats not true. The dept of ed goes along with federal law, you know because its a part of the federal government? And you say i didn't finish school. And police shouldn't be called for something like that? Hate to tell you there buddy but police are called for any type of physical confrintation. Its been that way for years. But why bother staying up on that sort of thing. And i will ask you again since you didn't awnser me the first time. What exactly does the Rebel flag stand for? Since you seem to know so much, please enlighten me.









Yup you got parents like Subsonixs teaching these kids that kind of thinking. And at least hes somewhat mild. i've seen a lot worse.

The federal gubment is not one giant conglomerate. Last time I checked, it was the legislative branch of government responsible for putting laws on the books, not the department of education. I still don't see any evidence that you've finished school.



If a physical confrontation took place, then according to the laws on the books, it's a police matter. You think the flag adds fuel to the fire, which it does not. The flag is not illegal in itself, or in combination with anything else here. It will not make the legal penalty for the confrontation any more severe, nor should it.



The Rebel flag stands for.... rebellion, against an over-reaching federal government. You know, kind of like the one we're dealing with today. It stands for state sovereignty and secession which several states are now considering.

Only 3-4 years of legal slavery in this country took place under the Confederacy. The vast remainder took place under the stars and stripes. I'd bet most blacks don't know what the flag stands for. They've just been instructed to be offended by it, and so they are. Do you have any idea what your great hero Lincoln wanted to do with all the slaves?

Now, tell me, do you honestly believe that southerners sacrificed their lives so that they wouldn't have to pick cotton?

Growing up in New York, it was not uncommon to hear people making racist remarks. People don't hide what they are feeling, they make it perfectly clear how they feel. Here in Lancaster I have found that people APPEAR to be kind, church-going type folk, yet they are racists too. I have had patients that refuse to be taken care of by a black nurse, here in Lancaster county. Yet, at the same time they have all of their church friends coming in to visit and bringing them flowers!

I'm not saying ANY type of racist is good, but I'd rather hear a snake hiss before I'm bit!

I've seen the e-mail addresses posted with some of the articles...You might try that.

Yeah i know that much but the dept of education is required to follow laws set forth by the federal government.










LOL yea i do know what he wanted to do. He wanted to send them all back to Africa but the congress would not approve because it would cost to much. Nice try there though. The only reason there was 3-4 years under the Confederacy was because it was only around that long? Who knows what would have happened had they won? The whole civil war was a complex issue, it wasn't one thing or another it was a lot of differant things. But you compartmentalize it down to southerners to lazy to pick cotton. Its just easier for your tiny brain to think of it that way??? It wasn't they were too lazy at all, they could not continue that type of production with paid labor. They didn't have enough people to keep the farms going if they didn't hvae the free labor to use. It had nothing to do with laziness it had to do with economics. But yeah once again i'm the one that didn't finish school

But at least you know what you might be dealing with....

I hope you get this story published Horns, it WILL make WSD look bad! Please let us know how things turn out

Once again, you'd likely know the kind of mindset you're dealing with. Note, however, that the symbol we commonly recognize as a swastika means something different to a Buddhist (someone posted information on this previously). That doesn't apply to the Nazi flag, however.





Excellent points.

BR i believe the symbol the nazis use is a flip of the original symbol, its not the exact same thing. At least from what i had been taught?