> WASHINGTON, Nov. 2 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Council for the National
> Interest Foundation argues in a full-page New York Times ad scheduled to
> run this Sunday, Nov. 5, two days before the 2006 midterm elections, that
> the U.S. Congress is in thrall to the Israel lobby. The lobby's negative
> effects on U.S. Middle East policy, the ad argues, are demonstrated by the
> growing possibility that the U.S. will use its military might to curtail
> Iran's nuclear program, by the U.S. refusal to call for a ceasefire during
> the 34-day Israeli bombardment of Lebanon over the summer, and by the
> continuing chaos, isolation and bloodshed in the occupied Palestinian
> territories. The advertisement, titled "Who is Holding Peace Hostage?"
> will run nationwide opposite the editorial page in the "Week in Review"
> section of the New York Times.
>
> In a section titled "The Israel Lobby is Trying to Sell Another War," the
> ad points out that a recent Zogby International poll commissioned by the
> CNI Foundation found that 39 percent of American likely voters believe
> that "the work of the Israel lobby on Congress and the Bush administration
> has been a key factor for going to war in Iraq and now confronting Iran."
> As a solution to the present impasse over Iran's nuclear program, the ad
> suggests that the U.S. use its power to renegotiate the Nuclear Non-
> Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to encompass all nations, including Israel,
> which is not a signatory of the present NPT and has an estimated 250 to
> 300 nuclear weapons.
>
> The Israel lobby, the ad says, was able to defeat a recent amendment to
> the defense appropriations bill introduced by Sens. Dianne Feinstein
> (D-Calif.) and Patrick Leahy (D- Vt.) that would ban the export of cluster
> bombs to countries that use such weapons in civilian areas, including
> Israel's use of U.S.-made cluster weapons in Lebanon. As evidence, the ad
> points to the amount of money that several opponents of the amendment
> received from pro-Israel political action committees (PACs) over their
> career and in the current election cycle. Total donations to Congressional
> candidates, Republican and Democrat, from pro- Israel PACs was more than
> $2.4 million in the current election cycle, according to the Center for
> Responsive Politics. The ad concludes: "Why are (members of Congress)
> selling their vote and undermining peace for Israel and her neighbors?"
>
> The ad also promotes a DVD made and distributed by the CNI Foundation that
> includes a recent debate organized by the London Review of Books in New
> York City between Professor John Mearsheimer, Amb. Dennis Ross and Amb.
> Martin Indyk, among others, as well as an appearance at the National Press
> Club by Professors Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, the authors of the recent
> academic paper "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy." Mearsheimer and
> Walt are currently working on a book commissioned by Farrar, Straus and
> Giroux, a major publisher.
>
> http://www.usnewswire.com

So what else did Hitler and Goebbels have to say when your friends contacted them?

Nice post bear claws too bad it did not add anything to the topic.



$2.4 million in the current election cycle, according to the Center for
> Responsive Politics. The ad concludes: "Why are (members of Congress)
> selling their vote and undermining peace for Israel and her neighbors?"



Yes why are members selling out this great country to the Jews? All the money that the US sends to Israel and what do we get in return? We protect the Jewish state we are the proxy army for the Jewish state.

Why do you Nazis keep posting drivel like this on LOL? Your vile and sickening hatred has no place in a civilized world.

How do you feel about Waco, Bear Claws? Do you feel that the government (i.e. that horrible clinton person aided by Reno) killed innocents to get at the guys who murdered the federal agents?

Today, Israeli forces mowed down unarmed women standing in front of a Mosque in Gaza. You know... sort of like that Waco thing that so many conservatives love to hang their hats on (even though it all started before Clinton came into office).

There is a difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. I cannot speak for the other posters here, but you can count me in with the anti-Zionists. Zionism, promoted by Theodore Herzl, for political purposes and wrapped in the fresh wound of the Holocaust. And yes, I do believe that the Holocaust happened. I do believe that Jewish people were slaughtered for no reason. Israel is so far removed now from the days when they could actually remember history firsthand. They are now just doomed to repeating it.

What's that got to do with the nest of Nazis here on LOL?
Please don't join the Nazis to be an anti-Zionist. Although I have some reservations about Israel, keep in mind that you don't live there, under the constant threat of terrorist bombings, etc. Life is a bit different there than it is here. It's easy to be an anti-Zionist when it's only an intellectual exercise.

For me it's not an intellectual exercise. I have a friend who is a peace activist, educator, and head of his family in a palestinian refugee camp who I hear from. I am joining no Nazi camp. What is happening to him and his family can be compared to events that occured in the 1930s in Germany.

I posted this the other day but it bears re-posting:

Just heard from a friend of mine, an artist and pacifist, living in Palestine. His teaching certificate was lifted because it wasn't from an Israeli institution. He is the sole support for his family.

He now has to travel through numerous checkpoints to gain an Israeli diploma to teach. He has his Ph.D. from a non-Israeli school. Suddenly not good enough. He has to now go back to undergraduate school, study all subjects in Hebrew, and pay to have someone translate all of his papers into Hebrew. It takes two hours and if the Ethiopian immigrants who brutally man many of the checkpoints decided to f*ck with him, there is nothing he can do but turn back.

This past week, his art was confiscated by Israeli Mossad who broke into a gallery that sells Israeli and Palestinian art. His art is non-political and would probably please the eye of most posters here.

What crime has he committed that has caused the confiscation of his art, his livelihood, his dignity? The crime is this: his home is in the way of the barrier wall. Up to this point, the only 'crime' that has been committed was his brother taking a photo of the family as they stood outside their home. The infraction? In the photo, it can be seen that there is devastation all around them. His brother was put in jail without a lawyer, with no trial in sight... Plus denying the family a living wage by suddenly declaring that his education is substandard. All so that the family can be provoked to do something 'terrible' so that they can be labeled terrorists and their home can be leveled.

Israel is just another country and it should not negatively affect our overall foreign policy. I do believe Israeli special interest groups have a far greater impact and involvement in our foreign policy than they should. Israel is just as guilty of the problems with Palestine as are the Palestinians. They both need to grow up. So let's stop the rhetoric before it even starts. This is not about being against Israel, this is about being pro-USA. We went into Iraq without even a clue as to what Iraqi politics is like and now we are paying a price because we allowed the pro-Israeli lobby to goad us into "protecting" it. Most of the Middle East knows that if any country made an outright unprovoked assault on Israel, most Western countries would come to it's aid.

Oooo Name calling!!! That's impressive.

George W. Bush is the one who has no place in THIS civilized world. My one question is this: How can any leader who sends men to their deaths be called civilized?

We've all seen you for what you are, and the evil you spread.

You need to update that 10th grade version of history you base your opinions on. Shooting stone-throwing children in the head, routinely, is much worse than anything I have ever done, or hope to do. Evil? Now tell my how Israel is a peace loving democracy. I could use a good laugh.

Every time I see you have written Nazi, I imagine your knee jerking...

And I notice that you and your Hitler Youth buddies NEVER EVER answer the question. Gee, I wonder why. But don't bother, your evil shines through these threads very clearly.

Answered every question put to me. I've got more answers than you have questions. Do you have a real question, or an accusation with a question mark on the end? You have made this a point of honor, now ask away. Show us all what's in your mind.

You use that word evil the way a child uses a pen knife, BTW.

">Anyone remotely familiar with the American political landscape knows that the Israeli lobby plays a very large role in shaping US foreign policy in the Middle East. This influence has been achieved through clever use of financial muscle and control of large sections of the media from newspapers to cable TV channels to think-tank organizations.Many of the Israeli lobby groups of today can trace their roots to the early 50s, when the American Jewish population needed to organize itself to fight the existing hidden prejudices and discrimination and to break the hidden barriers to their advancement. In their fight to overcome these difficulties they targeted both the media and the politicians. It was thought (correctly) that media played a very important role in creating or destroying the public image of any minority group in the country.
>But somehow along the way, some of these organizations were hijacked by Zionists who equated Jewishness with being the loyal supporters of Israel. This minority group set about turning these lobbying groups’ agendas from one of fighting against prejudice to one of working to advance Israel’s interest. A large number of Jewish Americans naturally did not, and do not, agree with the aim of these Zionists. This silent majority (such as the Neturei Karta group, Peace now movement etc) is seen by the Zionists as false Jews who are traitors to the state of Israel.
">These lobbying groups have consistently worked to advance their perceived interest of Israel around the world, not realizing that their policies and actions may not be in the long-term interest of the state of Israel and may even be counterproductive to the Jews’ interest around the world. By relying on the force of money and media, they have tried hard to persuade people to see the world from their point of view, not noticing that extreme use of these tools will eventually create a counter reaction.
">After having succeeded in penetrating the corridors of power, these groups have become over-confident and arrogant. What used to be suggested is now demanded. What was previously politely asked for is now commanded. How long can this continue before it triggers a terrible reaction is anyone’s guess; but it surely cannot continue unchecked for long.
">The strength of these groups have increased to such a level that they can now determine the outcome of elections (through money and the media). The situation has gotten so bad that now, most of the congressional hopefuls (Democrats and Republicans), even presidential hopefuls, have to declare their absolute support for Israel first before even entertaining the thought of running a serious election campaign.
">One of these pro-Israel lobbying groups is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). We know of course that AIPAC has some very wealthy members. These supporters (official/unofficial) also control major part of the media. Money and media are the things that determine the outcome of most elections. So it is not surprising to see that most politicians and government officials always try to stay on extremely friendly terms with AIPAC and its clones.

The whole article: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Nov06/Bakhtiar02.htm

Yup, they definitely indoctrinated you well back in Hitler Youth. Never, ever, ever admit you're a Nazi. Don't even discuss the question. Transparent.

And exactly how does that article in any way show Whirlwind or anyone for that matter to be part of the Hitler Youth? Dispute the article, not hack at the person because you disagree with the supposition of the article. That is rather shallow and hypocritcal.

well maybe if israel wasn't in the midst of a 40 year brutal occupation of these people they might not be trying to kill them.

if someone broke into yer home and occupied half of it thru brute force and then killed and beat any family mmebers who tried to remove, them whose side would you be on, the family or the invaders?

Bear Claws has nothing to add, anyone who questions anything about Israel or Jews is automatically labeled. Why Jews are above scrutiny is beyond me. If you look at the political landscape, R's & D's all must show allegiance to Israel if they want to stay in power. And isn't that what it is all about? The American people are brain washed, "do not question the Jew" and if you do then the names and labels. If you believe that Israel is innocent in all deeds then I have a bridge to sell you Bear Claws.

Why do you bother? You continually expose what you are for anyone to see, Nazi. Hate is all you know. You and your kind are beyond sick.


I didn't think you were one of them. Was I wrong?

Wow, the only way you can reconcile your views existing in the face of evidence presented to the contrary is to label the presenter into a media prepared stereotype box. Did it ever occur to you that you may have been misled? And though you heartily believe what you say, it now amounts to pushing a cover story you've become aware of?

Nazi? I prefer White Nationalist.

I don't hate anyone. I do question any special interest group that has excessive influence in our political affairs. If you think that is bigotry, then there is no point in you being involved in the discussion. Israel is not some sacrosanct altar upon which our country needs to sacrifice itself. Israel should be treated the same as any other ally and we really need to learn to not meddle so much in the affairs of other countries.

That has nothing to do with the fact that the Nazis killed some 6 million people - not only Jews, but people of any religion, ethnic or social group that the Nazis deemed to be inferior. Are you defending the ongoing stream of hateful , disgusting anti-Semitic postings here on LOL by these obvious Nazis? Are they coming for you next?


So thats what you call yourselves these days?

Neither was I talking about the Holocaust. I am not defending any hateful, disgusting anti-Semitic postings either. I am responding to a blind support for Israel and the near rabid & attacking responses that question the moral fibre of any person who might have something negative to say about Israel in particular. Israel is no pillar of holiness or morality. So get off your high horse. Israel is no better than any other country and certainly is not deserving of any special protections from the immoral acts of it's government or citizens. Yeeesh!

I am not defending Israel. I'm questioning the movtives behind the ongoing stream of hateful, disgusting anti-Semitic postings here on LOL by these obvious Nazis? Are they coming for you next?

Zionists/Jews have way too much authority in this country. Far outweighing their numbers. Controlling the government by way of campaign finance. Controlling the public mind with an near monopoly on news and entertainment media. Given that Israel and the U.S. do not have the same geo-political aims, and the Jews have been kicked out of most of Europe for manipulating the host society in ways parallel to the manipulations currently in progress here, damn right I'm going to watch them like a hawk. You're a fool for giving them a pass. I attribute it to ignorance. And not your's alone, but more generally. Best thing for my point of view is to remove some of that ignorance. Not a chore I take lightly.

Wow, the Nazi speaks!

You know, your disgusting agenda has been exposed several times here. And I attribute YOUR agenda to a very special kind of willful ignorance, one that breeds hatred and contempt for your fellow human beings. Oh, I forgot. Jews and blacks aren't really human beings, are they?

What you seem to be saying is that people who have a negative opinion about Israel or some aspect of it are Nazis or not far removed from such a connection. That seems a bit strong and unwarranted. You may disagree, but just because someone is not a supporter of Israel does not make them anti-Semetic. I don't support the actions of Iran or Sudan, but that does not make me anti-Islamic.

You are mistaken.Read their taglines, evaluate their threads. Then you tell me. There is an agenda here, and it's quite plain. I'm suggesting that you may not want to align yourself with them. Disagree with Israel all you want. But watch the next step, because it's slippery.

Wow the child speaks!!

So tell us BC why can no one disagree with Jews without being labeled. Do you honestly think that Jews and Jewish groups do not have influence on American media and politics? Just look at how you react, that is the norm. When one questions Jews or says anything that is not in lock step with the PC crowd then they are a Nazi, wow great logic. Lets not have a different point of view the only view that is acceptable is the one that the ADL approves of. btw BC you are sounding like a broken record. Say something meaning full or do not say anything just read a book. Try Culture in Critique by Dr. Kenin McDonald.



http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm

What is YOUR agenda? You always twist it around, trying to hide the obvious fact that YOU are a Nazi and/or white supremecist. You always come around with the news stories that JUST HAPPEN to highlight questionable acts by Jewish people. Why is that?Why not "Mein Kampf"???? Isn't that your Bible?

Quite a few of us here see you for what you are.

BC I have no agenda I post news stories, but if it was your way no negative stories about Jews cause you must protect the tribe. Funny thing, what is wrong with this thread? You can not deny the influence of Jews and Jewish groups in American media and poultices. In poultices cross the ADL and see how far you get. Like I said before never question the Jew. Mein Kampf started to read that but found it boring, try March of Titans http://www.white-history.com/index.htm I found it to be very interesting. But I don't think you will look at it because you have a closed mind and you are obsessed with Nazis give it a rest. You are like a broken record....thanks for playing....

I have no trouble finding writers who back my position. If my position was as wacky as BC would have everyone believe, that would be very difficult. Full page ads in NYT don't fall out of the sky.

Better do a head count of your camp, BC; I think your ranks are thinning. It's a cyclical thing, that one so fixated on one moment of history might not notice.

Interesting that you take that position. I've been doing some research on Nazis and white supremecist groups, and that's one of your most frequent talking points. I'll have more to say about that later.I'm sure you did.

Have a white day.

Been doing some research, eh? I hope you are not talking to cats about dogs. That would be foolish, wouldn't it? Why don't you just ask me? If I can't help directly with whatever info you want, I likely know some websites that can.

www.govnn.com should be able to help with the basics. The site retepb mentioned, March of the Titans, is almost a must read.



But, by "doing research", you really mean, looking for dirt, right? Standard "Nazi" charge just doesn't seem as potent as you'd hoped. Could it be you're behind the curve?