From another blog:
Limbaugh Accuses Fox Of Exaggerating Parkinson's Symptoms "He Was Either Off The Medication Or He Was Acting"...
Rush Limbaugh will say anything to attack anyone who challenges George Bush and his policies. This time his target is Michael J Fox. Meds are something Rush does have a little experience with.
Rush Limbaugh today accused Michael J. Fox, actor and Parkinson's Disease victim, of deliberately going off of his meds to appear on camera with exaggerated symptoms of his disease for dramatic effect. Fox appeared in a recent Clair McHaskill (D-MO) Senate campaign ad, touting the need for stem cell research. Limbaugh even goes so far as to accuse Fox of faking his symptoms all together.
Full Version: Limbaugh rips Michael J. Fox ad
Anything that takes money away from the terra war is not worthwhile to this crew. What a despicable statement "he went off his medication for dramatic effect. Does this clown even have an ounce of decency.
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i can't believe he would stoop so low as to say that about michael j. fox~~~the guy has parkinson's, for heaven's sake!!!
argh.
argh.
QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Oct 24 2006, 03:33 PM) [snapback]242264[/snapback]
Anything that takes money away from the terra war is not worthwhile to this crew. What a despicable statement "he went off his medication for dramatic effect."
I'm not sure whether to believe them, but there are reports today that this may actually be true, that Fox does deliberately go off his meds to create a dramatic effect from his Parkinson's. Wouldn't that be interesting?QUOTE(Bear Claws @ Oct 24 2006, 03:48 PM) [snapback]242273[/snapback]
I'm not sure whether to believe them, but there are reports today that this may actually be true, that Fox does deliberately go off his meds to create a dramatic effect from his Parkinson's. Wouldn't that be interesting?
many medications for parkinson's and it's many side problems are cumulative- he'd have to go off of them for a while and stay off.
i don't know about "interesting", but i would definately say, "disturbing"...
QUOTE(Bear Claws @ Oct 24 2006, 03:48 PM) [snapback]242273[/snapback]
I'm not sure whether to believe them, but there are reports today that this may actually be true, that Fox does deliberately go off his meds to create a dramatic effect from his Parkinson's. Wouldn't that be interesting?
Yea, imagine someone suffering from a debilitating illness putting a face on an issue, for dramatic effect, the nerver of them to request medical research. I'd backpeddle on this one if I were a limpbaugh apologist too.
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These emails claim Fox has admitted in interviews that he goes off his medication." A tireless search of the Internet produces no such record of any interview, or any statement in which Fox has ever admitted or even suggested that he ever goes off his Parkinson's treatment at all, let alone for the purposes of shaking it up for the television audience.
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I'm not sure whether to believe them, but there are reports today that this may actually be true, that Fox does deliberately go off his meds to create a dramatic effect from his Parkinson's. Wouldn't that be interesting?
How long have you been off yours this time?
ain't america grand?? a draft dodger from the vietnam war who supported the war for everyone else,is a criminal and a drug addict who uses viagra in third world countries,and divorced mucho times, makes $30,000,000 year working 3 hours a day lecturing stupid people on moral behavior.
Limbaugh needs to go back on the Hillbilly Heroin. He's an actor 24/7, he may as well be drugged when he's doing it.
"Rush Limbaugh will say anything to attack anyone who challenges George Bush and his policies."
Wouldn't it be nice if he were the only one?
Wouldn't it be nice if he were the only one?
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Oct 24 2006, 05:01 PM) [snapback]242288[/snapback]
ain't america grand?? a draft dodger from the vietnam war who supported the war for everyone else,is a criminal and a drug addict who uses viagra in third world countries,and divorced mucho times, makes $30,000,000 year working 3 hours a day lecturing stupid people on moral behavior.
OMG your killing me
QUOTE(cecil @ Oct 24 2006, 04:03 PM) [snapback]242279[/snapback]
How long have you been off yours this time?
Once again these two (bear and limpnuts) are a clear representation of the republican party today.
Don't you mean RepubliCON party?
Limbaugh: Michael J. Fox Exploited Disease
WASHINGTON, Oct. 24, 2006 (CBS/AP) His body visibly wracked by tremors, actor Michael J. Fox appears in a political ad that was the subject of widespread discussion on Monday after conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh claimed Fox was "either off his medication or acting."
A victim of Parkinson's disease, Fox speaks out in the ad for Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill, who supports embryonic stem cell research.
"I think this is exploitative in a way that's unbecoming of either Claire McCaskill or Michael J. Fox," Limbaugh said on his syndicated show.
On his Web site Tuesday, Limbaugh appeared to back away from his accusation.
"All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill," says Limbaugh. "So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances."
McCaskill has made support for the research a key part of her campaign to unseat Sen. Jim Talent. The Republican incumbent opposes the research as unethical, saying it destroys human embryos.
The new ad debuted prominently Saturday night during Game 1 of the World Series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Detroit Tigers and will continue airing statewide this week, a campaign spokeswoman said.
Debate over stem cell research looms large in Missouri, where voters are considering a ballot measure that would amend the state constitution to protect all federally allowed forms of the research, including embryonic stem cell research. The scientific study holds promise in the search to cure diseases like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
"Unfortunately, Senator Jim Talent opposes expanding stem cell research," Fox says in the 30-second spot. "Senator Talent even wanted to criminalize the science that gives us a chance for hope."
Talent's campaign called the ad a false attack.
"Senator Talent supports medical research including stem cell research that doesn't involve cloning or destroying a human embryo," said Talent spokesman Rich Chrismer.
Earlier this year, Talent withdrew his support for a Senate bill that would ban all embryonic stem cell research and impose a million-dollar fine and jail sentence on violators. But he opposes the Missouri ballot initiative, claiming it would "make cloning human life at the earliest stage a constitutional right."
Supporters of the state referendum deny that assertion, noting the language of the proposed constitutional amendment explicitly bans human cloning.
McCaskill, running even with Talent in the latest polls, hopes to get a boost from aligning herself with support for the ballot measure, which recent polls show has the support of 58 percent of likely voters. Backers of the measure have raised nearly $29 million toward its passage, the costliest political campaign in Missouri history.
Fox's ad urges voters that "what you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans. Americans like me." The ad ends with a picture of McCaskill and her voice approving the message.
A native of Canada, Fox became an American citizen in 2000 and has been politically active for Democratic causes. He campaigned for John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race and lobbied Congress to lift President Bush's restrictions on funding for stem cell research.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/24/...in2121910.shtml
Based upon this information and past interviews I've seen with Fox where he did the rocking back and forth bit, I personally don't think he faked it or went off his drugs.
Is there any treatment?
At present, there is no cure for PD, but a variety of medications provide dramatic relief from the symptoms. Usually, patients are given levodopa combined with carbidopa. Carbidopa delays the conversion of levodopa into dopamine until it reaches the brain. Nerve cells can use levodopa to make dopamine and replenish the brain's dwindling supply. Although levodopa helps at least three-quarters of parkinsonian cases, not all symptoms respond equally to the drug. Bradykinesia and rigidity respond best, while tremor may be only marginally reduced. Problems with balance and other symptoms may not be alleviated at all. Anticholinergics may help control tremor and rigidity. Other drugs, such as bromocriptine, pergolide, pramipexole, and ropinirole, mimic the role of dopamine in the brain, causing the neurons to react as they would to dopamine. An antiviral drug, amantadine, also appears to reduce symptoms. In May 2006, the FDA approved rasagiline to be used along with levodopa for patients with advanced PD or as a single-drug treatment for early PD.
In some cases, surgery may be appropriate if the disease doesn't respond to drugs. A therapy called deep brain stimulation (DBS) has now been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. In DBS, electrodes are implanted into the brain and connected to a small electrical device called a pulse generator that can be externally programmed. DBS can reduce the need for levodopa and related drugs, which in turn decreases the involuntary movements called dyskinesias that are a common side effect of levodopa. It also helps to alleviate fluctuations of symptoms and to reduce tremors, slowness of movements, and gait problems. DBS requires careful programming of the stimulator device in order to work correctly.
What is the prognosis?
PD is both chronic, meaning it persists over a long period of time, and progressive, meaning its symptoms grow worse over time. Although some people become severely disabled, others experience only minor motor disruptions. Tremor is the major symptom for some patients, while for others tremor is only a minor complaint and other symptoms are more troublesome. No one can predict which symptoms will affect an individual patient, and the intensity of the symptoms also varies from person to person.
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/parkins...e_any_treatment
WASHINGTON, Oct. 24, 2006 (CBS/AP) His body visibly wracked by tremors, actor Michael J. Fox appears in a political ad that was the subject of widespread discussion on Monday after conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh claimed Fox was "either off his medication or acting."
A victim of Parkinson's disease, Fox speaks out in the ad for Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill, who supports embryonic stem cell research.
"I think this is exploitative in a way that's unbecoming of either Claire McCaskill or Michael J. Fox," Limbaugh said on his syndicated show.
On his Web site Tuesday, Limbaugh appeared to back away from his accusation.
"All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill," says Limbaugh. "So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances."
[img]http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/common/images/bug_video.gif[/img] Watch Claire McCaskill's ad featuring Michael J. Fox here."As you might know I care deeply about stem cell research," says Fox, who has struggled with Parkinson's disease for more than a decade. "In Missouri you can elect Claire McCaskill, who shares my hope for cures."
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McCaskill has made support for the research a key part of her campaign to unseat Sen. Jim Talent. The Republican incumbent opposes the research as unethical, saying it destroys human embryos.
The new ad debuted prominently Saturday night during Game 1 of the World Series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Detroit Tigers and will continue airing statewide this week, a campaign spokeswoman said.
Debate over stem cell research looms large in Missouri, where voters are considering a ballot measure that would amend the state constitution to protect all federally allowed forms of the research, including embryonic stem cell research. The scientific study holds promise in the search to cure diseases like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
"Unfortunately, Senator Jim Talent opposes expanding stem cell research," Fox says in the 30-second spot. "Senator Talent even wanted to criminalize the science that gives us a chance for hope."
Talent's campaign called the ad a false attack.
"Senator Talent supports medical research including stem cell research that doesn't involve cloning or destroying a human embryo," said Talent spokesman Rich Chrismer.
Earlier this year, Talent withdrew his support for a Senate bill that would ban all embryonic stem cell research and impose a million-dollar fine and jail sentence on violators. But he opposes the Missouri ballot initiative, claiming it would "make cloning human life at the earliest stage a constitutional right."
Supporters of the state referendum deny that assertion, noting the language of the proposed constitutional amendment explicitly bans human cloning.
McCaskill, running even with Talent in the latest polls, hopes to get a boost from aligning herself with support for the ballot measure, which recent polls show has the support of 58 percent of likely voters. Backers of the measure have raised nearly $29 million toward its passage, the costliest political campaign in Missouri history.
Fox's ad urges voters that "what you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans. Americans like me." The ad ends with a picture of McCaskill and her voice approving the message.
A native of Canada, Fox became an American citizen in 2000 and has been politically active for Democratic causes. He campaigned for John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race and lobbied Congress to lift President Bush's restrictions on funding for stem cell research.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/24/...in2121910.shtml
Based upon this information and past interviews I've seen with Fox where he did the rocking back and forth bit, I personally don't think he faked it or went off his drugs.
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Is there any treatment?
At present, there is no cure for PD, but a variety of medications provide dramatic relief from the symptoms. Usually, patients are given levodopa combined with carbidopa. Carbidopa delays the conversion of levodopa into dopamine until it reaches the brain. Nerve cells can use levodopa to make dopamine and replenish the brain's dwindling supply. Although levodopa helps at least three-quarters of parkinsonian cases, not all symptoms respond equally to the drug. Bradykinesia and rigidity respond best, while tremor may be only marginally reduced. Problems with balance and other symptoms may not be alleviated at all. Anticholinergics may help control tremor and rigidity. Other drugs, such as bromocriptine, pergolide, pramipexole, and ropinirole, mimic the role of dopamine in the brain, causing the neurons to react as they would to dopamine. An antiviral drug, amantadine, also appears to reduce symptoms. In May 2006, the FDA approved rasagiline to be used along with levodopa for patients with advanced PD or as a single-drug treatment for early PD.
In some cases, surgery may be appropriate if the disease doesn't respond to drugs. A therapy called deep brain stimulation (DBS) has now been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. In DBS, electrodes are implanted into the brain and connected to a small electrical device called a pulse generator that can be externally programmed. DBS can reduce the need for levodopa and related drugs, which in turn decreases the involuntary movements called dyskinesias that are a common side effect of levodopa. It also helps to alleviate fluctuations of symptoms and to reduce tremors, slowness of movements, and gait problems. DBS requires careful programming of the stimulator device in order to work correctly.
What is the prognosis?
PD is both chronic, meaning it persists over a long period of time, and progressive, meaning its symptoms grow worse over time. Although some people become severely disabled, others experience only minor motor disruptions. Tremor is the major symptom for some patients, while for others tremor is only a minor complaint and other symptoms are more troublesome. No one can predict which symptoms will affect an individual patient, and the intensity of the symptoms also varies from person to person.
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/parkins...e_any_treatment
"All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this...."
And, because he hasn't followed the progression of Fox's disease, felt okay about speaking out - until people got to him and told him he was behaving like an..... - not quite helpful to the Republican cause right now. Man is such a jerk. have never actually heard him reined in before. Is interesting.
And, because he hasn't followed the progression of Fox's disease, felt okay about speaking out - until people got to him and told him he was behaving like an..... - not quite helpful to the Republican cause right now. Man is such a jerk. have never actually heard him reined in before. Is interesting.
Apparently, the medication that is most effective can increase involuntary actions and/or suddenly stop working, too. I found this information from the Parkinson's Disease Foundation website:
Carbidopa/Levodopa (Sinemet®) Levodopa is a substance that is converted into dopamine by an enzyme in the brain. It is then released by brain cells and activates dopamine receptors allowing for normal function of the movement control centers of the brain. Forty years after its discovery, levodopa remains the most effective medication for Parkinson’s disease. In fact, 70 to 80 percent of treated Parkinson’s patients are on levodopa therapy. Levodopa is the “gold standard” by which all treatments for Parkinson’s are measured.
Levodopa combined with carbidopa (or Sinemet®) represented a significant improvement in the treatment of Parkinson's disease. The addition of carbidopa prevents levodopa from being converted into dopamine in the bloodstream, allowing more of it to get to the brain. Therefore, a smaller dose of levodopa is needed to treat symptoms. In addition, the nausea and vomiting often associated with levodopa treatment is greatly reduced by the presence of carbidopa. Unfortunately, with increased dosing and prolonged use of levodopa, patients experience other side-effects including dyskinesias (spontaneous, involuntary movements) and "on-off" periods when the medication will suddenly and unpredictably start or stop working.
http://www.pdf.org/AboutPD/med_treatment.cfm
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Carbidopa/Levodopa (Sinemet®) Levodopa is a substance that is converted into dopamine by an enzyme in the brain. It is then released by brain cells and activates dopamine receptors allowing for normal function of the movement control centers of the brain. Forty years after its discovery, levodopa remains the most effective medication for Parkinson’s disease. In fact, 70 to 80 percent of treated Parkinson’s patients are on levodopa therapy. Levodopa is the “gold standard” by which all treatments for Parkinson’s are measured.
Levodopa combined with carbidopa (or Sinemet®) represented a significant improvement in the treatment of Parkinson's disease. The addition of carbidopa prevents levodopa from being converted into dopamine in the bloodstream, allowing more of it to get to the brain. Therefore, a smaller dose of levodopa is needed to treat symptoms. In addition, the nausea and vomiting often associated with levodopa treatment is greatly reduced by the presence of carbidopa. Unfortunately, with increased dosing and prolonged use of levodopa, patients experience other side-effects including dyskinesias (spontaneous, involuntary movements) and "on-off" periods when the medication will suddenly and unpredictably start or stop working.
http://www.pdf.org/AboutPD/med_treatment.cfm
"Sen. Jim Talent. The Republican incumbent opposes the research as unethical, saying it destroys human embryos. "
I wish someone would ask him how he feels about all those frozen human embryos and how he can be against the research but not decry all those 'pre-borns' locked in eternal cold storage. How can people like him be so inconsistent and hypocritical?
I think one of the answers is that IVF is extremely expensive. People with money... family values people who vote. Don't want to pizz off the we-got-the-money, no-delayed gratification crowd. I would love it if one of these jokers would really stand up for what they believe and lay it out on the line totally.
For the record: I support stem cell research. If the religious right had had its way, those 'pre-borns' would not exist because, under Reagan, it was considered politically expedient to deny federal funding. Hence there might have been no IVFs at all and now no 'surplus' of frozen girls and boys.
With 400,000 live IVF births in the US alone, it looks like 'gratification' outweighed moral outrage in the end. Maybe if more people looked at their families and realized that members of their own family deserved at least a fighting chance, like Michael J. Fox, maybe there would be something gratifying that would quash the moral outrage like it happened in the IVF debates. Perhaps if just one person could beat Parkinson's, there would be thousands banging down the doors. But it can't happen overnight. And by not allowing it, it will be years more down the road.
As far as Limbaugh's apology goes, his website blather sure says otherwise.
And the latest: they brought out JESUS and Patricia Heaton to counter the Michael J. Fox ad. Yes, folks, that's right... the fake boobed, facelifted Patricia Heaton talking about the 'unnatural.' Along with her and Kurt Warner, the Passion of the Christ actor has made an ad against stem cell research that has aired tonight. Uhhhh.... get a clue: MJF wasn't ACTING the part of a Parkinson's patient. The guy who played Jesus was.
And just for once, I wish they'd stop and remember: Edison didn't invent the lightbulb on the first try. He didn't say it was easy, he said it was possible. Same for stem cell research.
I wish someone would ask him how he feels about all those frozen human embryos and how he can be against the research but not decry all those 'pre-borns' locked in eternal cold storage. How can people like him be so inconsistent and hypocritical?
I think one of the answers is that IVF is extremely expensive. People with money... family values people who vote. Don't want to pizz off the we-got-the-money, no-delayed gratification crowd. I would love it if one of these jokers would really stand up for what they believe and lay it out on the line totally.
For the record: I support stem cell research. If the religious right had had its way, those 'pre-borns' would not exist because, under Reagan, it was considered politically expedient to deny federal funding. Hence there might have been no IVFs at all and now no 'surplus' of frozen girls and boys.
With 400,000 live IVF births in the US alone, it looks like 'gratification' outweighed moral outrage in the end. Maybe if more people looked at their families and realized that members of their own family deserved at least a fighting chance, like Michael J. Fox, maybe there would be something gratifying that would quash the moral outrage like it happened in the IVF debates. Perhaps if just one person could beat Parkinson's, there would be thousands banging down the doors. But it can't happen overnight. And by not allowing it, it will be years more down the road.
As far as Limbaugh's apology goes, his website blather sure says otherwise.
And the latest: they brought out JESUS and Patricia Heaton to counter the Michael J. Fox ad. Yes, folks, that's right... the fake boobed, facelifted Patricia Heaton talking about the 'unnatural.' Along with her and Kurt Warner, the Passion of the Christ actor has made an ad against stem cell research that has aired tonight. Uhhhh.... get a clue: MJF wasn't ACTING the part of a Parkinson's patient. The guy who played Jesus was.
And just for once, I wish they'd stop and remember: Edison didn't invent the lightbulb on the first try. He didn't say it was easy, he said it was possible. Same for stem cell research.
Thanks for the post, br.
QUOTE(harv1 @ Oct 24 2006, 10:23 PM) [snapback]242367[/snapback]
"Sen. Jim Talent. The Republican incumbent opposes the research as unethical, saying it destroys human embryos. "
I wish someone would ask him how he feels about all those frozen human embryos and how he can be against the research but not decry all those 'pre-borns' locked in eternal cold storage. How can people like him be so inconsistent and hypocritical?
I think one of the answers is that IVF is extremely expensive. People with money... family values people who vote. Don't want to pizz off the we-got-the-money, no-delayed gratification crowd. I would love it if one of these jokers would really stand up for what they believe and lay it out on the line totally.
For the record: I support stem cell research. If the religious right had had its way, those 'pre-borns' would not exist because, under Reagan, it was considered politically expedient to deny federal funding. Hence there might have been no IVFs at all and now no 'surplus' of frozen girls and boys.
With 400,000 live IVF births in the US alone, it looks like 'gratification' outweighed moral outrage in the end. Maybe if more people looked at their families and realized that members of their own family deserved at least a fighting chance, like Michael J. Fox, maybe there would be something gratifying that would quash the moral outrage like it happened in the IVF debates. Perhaps if just one person could beat Parkinson's, there would be thousands banging down the doors. But it can't happen overnight. And by not allowing it, it will be years more down the road.
As far as Limbaugh's apology goes, his website blather sure says otherwise.
And the latest: they brought out JESUS and Patricia Heaton to counter the Michael J. Fox ad. Yes, folks, that's right... the fake boobed, facelifted Patricia Heaton talking about the 'unnatural.' Along with her and Kurt Warner, the Passion of the Christ actor has made an ad against stem cell research that has aired tonight. Uhhhh.... get a clue: MJF wasn't ACTING the part of a Parkinson's patient. The guy who played Jesus was.
And just for once, I wish they'd stop and remember: Edison didn't invent the lightbulb on the first try. He didn't say it was easy, he said it was possible. Same for stem cell research.
I wish someone would ask him how he feels about all those frozen human embryos and how he can be against the research but not decry all those 'pre-borns' locked in eternal cold storage. How can people like him be so inconsistent and hypocritical?
I think one of the answers is that IVF is extremely expensive. People with money... family values people who vote. Don't want to pizz off the we-got-the-money, no-delayed gratification crowd. I would love it if one of these jokers would really stand up for what they believe and lay it out on the line totally.
For the record: I support stem cell research. If the religious right had had its way, those 'pre-borns' would not exist because, under Reagan, it was considered politically expedient to deny federal funding. Hence there might have been no IVFs at all and now no 'surplus' of frozen girls and boys.
With 400,000 live IVF births in the US alone, it looks like 'gratification' outweighed moral outrage in the end. Maybe if more people looked at their families and realized that members of their own family deserved at least a fighting chance, like Michael J. Fox, maybe there would be something gratifying that would quash the moral outrage like it happened in the IVF debates. Perhaps if just one person could beat Parkinson's, there would be thousands banging down the doors. But it can't happen overnight. And by not allowing it, it will be years more down the road.
As far as Limbaugh's apology goes, his website blather sure says otherwise.
And the latest: they brought out JESUS and Patricia Heaton to counter the Michael J. Fox ad. Yes, folks, that's right... the fake boobed, facelifted Patricia Heaton talking about the 'unnatural.' Along with her and Kurt Warner, the Passion of the Christ actor has made an ad against stem cell research that has aired tonight. Uhhhh.... get a clue: MJF wasn't ACTING the part of a Parkinson's patient. The guy who played Jesus was.
And just for once, I wish they'd stop and remember: Edison didn't invent the lightbulb on the first try. He didn't say it was easy, he said it was possible. Same for stem cell research.
You can bet all those who oppose this research will be the first in line to benifit from it if it is a family member or themselves who need treatment. Then it will be God given and ok.
I have seen Michael J. Fox worse. As a MJFox fan, I wondered what was with the ticks and exaggerated gestures before Fox made a public statement. I cannot site the interview but when Fox's hand came upward in the clip, I expected him to touch a part of his face to stop the movement. He didn't. He seems good, actually. He was much worse that other time when I saw him.
I am certain that stem cell research is being done. Wouldn't it be best if it were done in the open? I am Christian. God provides for his people. I agree that radical right wing Christians try to mind-read the wishes of God. God will deal with them in due time. Not all Christians are control freaks.
I am certain that stem cell research is being done. Wouldn't it be best if it were done in the open? I am Christian. God provides for his people. I agree that radical right wing Christians try to mind-read the wishes of God. God will deal with them in due time. Not all Christians are control freaks.
"You can bet all those who oppose this research will be the first in line to benifit from it if it is a family member or themselves who need treatment. Then it will be God given and ok. "
That is EXACTLY my point. Example: when anesthesia was invented, the Church said that it was against the teachings of the bible for women to have any kind of anesthetic during childbirth because of a passage in the bible. As more women learned of the relief of pain, more women used it and the argument went away.
The religious right's vehement opposition to IVF has now morphed into "it's God's will that we carry these eight fetuses to term at one time."
That is EXACTLY my point. Example: when anesthesia was invented, the Church said that it was against the teachings of the bible for women to have any kind of anesthetic during childbirth because of a passage in the bible. As more women learned of the relief of pain, more women used it and the argument went away.
The religious right's vehement opposition to IVF has now morphed into "it's God's will that we carry these eight fetuses to term at one time."
Since justplainjoe likes Scripture so much, I thought I'd add some to this thread for those who are so sure that their Christianity makes them better then others:
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Then Jesus told this story to some who had great confidence in their own righteousness and scorned everyone else: “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else. For I don’t cheat, I don’t sin, and I don’t commit adultery. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
“But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Maybe... but I'm sure the Pharisee slept just fine that night.
BTW, Justplainjoe didn't quote any bible verses in this thread. Instead he said: ain't america grand?? a draft dodger from the vietnam war who supported the war for everyone else,is a criminal and a drug addict who uses viagra in third world countries,and divorced mucho times, makes $30,000,000 year working 3 hours a day lecturing stupid people on moral behavior.
BTW, Justplainjoe didn't quote any bible verses in this thread. Instead he said: ain't america grand?? a draft dodger from the vietnam war who supported the war for everyone else,is a criminal and a drug addict who uses viagra in third world countries,and divorced mucho times, makes $30,000,000 year working 3 hours a day lecturing stupid people on moral behavior.
QUOTE(harv1 @ Oct 25 2006, 09:22 AM) [snapback]242451[/snapback]
Maybe... but I'm sure the Pharisee slept just fine that night.
BTW, Justplainjoe didn't quote any bible verses in this thread. Instead he said: ain't america grand?? a draft dodger from the vietnam war who supported the war for everyone else,is a criminal and a drug addict who uses viagra in third world countries,and divorced mucho times, makes $30,000,000 year working 3 hours a day lecturing stupid people on moral behavior.
BTW, Justplainjoe didn't quote any bible verses in this thread. Instead he said: ain't america grand?? a draft dodger from the vietnam war who supported the war for everyone else,is a criminal and a drug addict who uses viagra in third world countries,and divorced mucho times, makes $30,000,000 year working 3 hours a day lecturing stupid people on moral behavior.
Rush is a class act!
As to the norm ... Limbaugh shows his colors again. He a loud mouthed fool if ever there was one.
The issue here to me is Stem Cell research.
I used to think it was going down the wrong path. Then I started reading a book called "Slave Species of god" By Michael Tellinger.(that's God with a small g)
I didn't realize that the Stem (cell) of the brain is the blueprint of everything from our toes to our eyes. Wow, how interesting is that??
Michael J. Fox is a very sick man and it's no wonder he's backing anyone who's enlightened to the facts of Stem Cell Research.
I still feel that abortion is a sin but I now also feel that to waste the Stem Cells of the aborted fetus's would only double that sin.
Again, Mr. Limbaugh has proved himself an !profanity! The proof is in his words!!
The issue here to me is Stem Cell research.
I used to think it was going down the wrong path. Then I started reading a book called "Slave Species of god" By Michael Tellinger.(that's God with a small g)
I didn't realize that the Stem (cell) of the brain is the blueprint of everything from our toes to our eyes. Wow, how interesting is that??
Michael J. Fox is a very sick man and it's no wonder he's backing anyone who's enlightened to the facts of Stem Cell Research.
I still feel that abortion is a sin but I now also feel that to waste the Stem Cells of the aborted fetus's would only double that sin.
Again, Mr. Limbaugh has proved himself an !profanity! The proof is in his words!!
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Since justplainjoe likes Scripture so much, I thought I'd add some to this thread for those who are so sure that their Christianity makes them better then others:
that's a beautiful story bear clause, it brought tears to me eyes.are you suggesting rush limpballs is humble???
i laffed so hard i cried.LOL
I'm feeling really good.Just read wonderwoman's post and agreed with whole thing. 
Happened a few times lately. We all have soooooo many dimensions involved in "who we are." Fun to see how they play out.
Happened a few times lately. We all have soooooo many dimensions involved in "who we are." Fun to see how they play out.
The more I read, the more I understand just how ignorant Mr. Limbaugh is of Parkinson's and its treatment. One of the articles I'd read tonight about this situation commented that experts on Parkinson's that they'd interviewed stated that the tremors are indicative of someone who has been on medication for a long time -- and that if he hadn't been on medication, Fox would essentially "freeze."
However, numerous experts on the disease were quick to point out that Fox's movements were consistent with symptoms of advanced Parkinson's.
"When you see someone with this type of movement, called dyskinesias, it's not because they have not taken medication, but because they probably have taken medication for some time," Dr. Michael Okun, national medical director for the National Parkinson Foundation, said in a statement. "If you don't take the medication, then you freeze."
Fox's spokesman, John Rogers, who also serves on the board of the Parkinson's Action Network, called Limbaugh's remarks "shameful."
"It's an appalling, sad statement," Rogers told USA Today. "Anybody who understands Parkinson's disease knows it's because of the medicine that one experiences" the tremors and movements Fox displayed in the ad.
http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/index...ml&cvqh=itn_fox
Personally, I'm still undecided on this issue, but I see absolutely NO REASON why someone who is a living example of the need for research and a cure not to be able to endorse candidates who are supportive of that research. Guess it sucks that the other party doesn't have someone suffering from the disease that they can trot out to say that the research is unethical and should be banned...
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However, numerous experts on the disease were quick to point out that Fox's movements were consistent with symptoms of advanced Parkinson's.
"When you see someone with this type of movement, called dyskinesias, it's not because they have not taken medication, but because they probably have taken medication for some time," Dr. Michael Okun, national medical director for the National Parkinson Foundation, said in a statement. "If you don't take the medication, then you freeze."
Fox's spokesman, John Rogers, who also serves on the board of the Parkinson's Action Network, called Limbaugh's remarks "shameful."
"It's an appalling, sad statement," Rogers told USA Today. "Anybody who understands Parkinson's disease knows it's because of the medicine that one experiences" the tremors and movements Fox displayed in the ad.
http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/index...ml&cvqh=itn_fox
Personally, I'm still undecided on this issue, but I see absolutely NO REASON why someone who is a living example of the need for research and a cure not to be able to endorse candidates who are supportive of that research. Guess it sucks that the other party doesn't have someone suffering from the disease that they can trot out to say that the research is unethical and should be banned...
Yes, you are right about the "freeze." Muhammed Ali exhibited the frozen effects quite a bit early on. I've seen him later and he was able to move more and smile. Pope John Paul II appeared in the frozen state (I don't mean that disrespectfully) in his last appearances. I will never forget the video of him sitting in the window of the Vatican and trying so hard to enunciate and make his body react to his mind. It was very sad to see that. He basically fell to tears and was removed from the window. Such a vital man, regardless of one's opinion of his opinions, reduced to stone.
The meds apparently 'invigorate' the CNS and therefore produce the involuntary motions as a sad bi-product of the treatment.
I guess someone should short circuit Limbaugh's cochlear implants... See, there's an example of someone who considers themself so important that if it would have taken stem cells to cure his deafness he would have been the first in line.
The meds apparently 'invigorate' the CNS and therefore produce the involuntary motions as a sad bi-product of the treatment.
I guess someone should short circuit Limbaugh's cochlear implants... See, there's an example of someone who considers themself so important that if it would have taken stem cells to cure his deafness he would have been the first in line.
darleneann.
Gee, where, oh where were the Vulgar Pigboy's criticisms of Michael J. Fox when he did ads for Arlen Specter? Basicly thanking Arlen for his funding of medical research. Not a peep from Viagra boy, was there? Or, as one wag called him, "Oxy-moron" 
Can't wait to see how many more Moron-Americans come to Rush's defense.
Can't wait to see how many more Moron-Americans come to Rush's defense.
Think saw this on Larry King, but had someone from each side talking about Rush/Fox, and the Repub. said that Limbaugh's behavior was despicable. Don't think will have too many Repubs. jumping in to save Rush as "funning with Fox" is just a really bad!!!!! political move. Liked and admired by too many.
Loved oxy - moron.
wonderwoman,
Just wait. "Our" time will come again.
Loved oxy - moron.
wonderwoman,
Just wait. "Our" time will come again.
I heard Rush’s comments Monday, ( not sound bits ) ANYONE I mean ANYONE that makes a political commercial should be open to examination, Fox wants to use his illness for political advantage, why shouldn’t his condition or possible lack of medication be questioned.
It has come to light that Fox does indeed stop taking his meds to dramatize his condition……for political gain. ……..who is acting in a despicable fashion?
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Think saw this on Larry King, but had someone from each side talking about Rush/Fox, and the Repub. said that Limbaugh's behavior was despicable. Don't think will have too many Repubs. jumping in to save Rush
I saw that too, it was Neal Boortz: "I am totally on Michael J. Fox's side on this one. We need to crank up the stem cell research on all fronts."
As someone who works very closely with a stage 2 Parkinson's patient, I am pretty certain that Michael J Fox was not faking anything. I do not believe the sources that say that Fox goes off his meds to deliberately exaggerate his condition. The Sinemet simply becomes less effective over time. The patient's features freeze. The involuntary tremors become more exaggerated. The walking gait becones shorter, with the foot stiffening and toes pointing.
There are other meds that can be taken but Sinemet is the most effective thing out there. One other option is surgery (which Fox has undergone) but, once again, the releif is only temporary. Stem cell research is the only thing that has shown true promise for effective treatments and cures for most neurologically based diseases and conditions.
Fox wasn't faking it. Rush should not have shot off his mouth, yet again, and embarrass himself, yet again.
There are other meds that can be taken but Sinemet is the most effective thing out there. One other option is surgery (which Fox has undergone) but, once again, the releif is only temporary. Stem cell research is the only thing that has shown true promise for effective treatments and cures for most neurologically based diseases and conditions.
Fox wasn't faking it. Rush should not have shot off his mouth, yet again, and embarrass himself, yet again.
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As someone who works very closely with a stage 2 Parkinson's patient, I am pretty certain that Michael J Fox was not faking anything. I do not believe the sources that say that Fox goes off his meds to deliberately exaggerate his condition. The Sinemet simply becomes less effective over time. The patient's features freeze. The involuntary tremors become more exaggerated. The walking gait becones shorter, with the foot stiffening and toes pointing.
There are other meds that can be taken but Sinemet is the most effective thing out there. One other option is surgery (which Fox has undergone) but, once again, the releif is only temporary. Stem cell research is the only thing that has shown true promise for effective treatments and cures for most neurologically based diseases and conditions.
Fox wasn't faking it. Rush should not have shot off his mouth, yet again, and embarrass himself, yet again.
There are other meds that can be taken but Sinemet is the most effective thing out there. One other option is surgery (which Fox has undergone) but, once again, the releif is only temporary. Stem cell research is the only thing that has shown true promise for effective treatments and cures for most neurologically based diseases and conditions.
Fox wasn't faking it. Rush should not have shot off his mouth, yet again, and embarrass himself, yet again.
You can believe what you want, I heard Foxes’ statement that he did stop taking his meds before a congressional hearing, for demonstrational purposes.
Sorry girls this is politics where no free passes are given, After all MJ Fox is an actor…….. isn’t he?
LDB, I'm not certain your point is very valid at all. If Michael J. Fox was unable to afford his medicine, he'd STILL have Parkinson's. The medications treats the symptoms; it doesn't provide a cure. Stem cell research is an attempt to find said cure. If Michael J. Fox did go off his medication to demonstrate to us what the effects would be for others who cannot afford or do not have access to such medication for the symptoms, how is that faking anything?? At the end of the day, Michael J. Fox does indeed have Parkinson's. So I guess your position is that he should only advocate for politicians when his actions are controlled and he looks as close to normal as possible so we'll all be lulled into thinking that Parkinson's isn't that bad?
BTW, if Michael J. Fox has allegedly admitted going off his medication for demonstrative purposes in a congressional hearing in the past, why would he not admit so now if it was indeed the case? Seems to me, the logic of his critics is a bit circular there...
BTW, if Michael J. Fox has allegedly admitted going off his medication for demonstrative purposes in a congressional hearing in the past, why would he not admit so now if it was indeed the case? Seems to me, the logic of his critics is a bit circular there...
"Seems to me, the logic of his critics is a bit circular there..."
Agreed.
I believe that the overwhelming majority of people find Rush's comments ill-informed and petty. Considering that Rush himself would not be able to do his radio show if it were not for scientific research and many government dollars going into cochlear implant research. If anyone should have stopped and thought about scientific advances and how they save people and thereby save their jobs (as the implants saved Rush's job), there should at the very least be a modicum of respect. But then again, while downing his oxycontin, Rush made fun of Jerry Garcia's death, calling him a druggie...
How about this: Rush could very well have brought a parkinson's expert onto his show to explain how the ad was false. Or would an expert have ruined Rush's ill-informed argument?
Even the anti-stem cell ad that was thrown together, starring Jim "Jesus" Caviezel and Patricia "this just isn't natural, like my boobs and face," did not stoop to Rush's level.
But even with his implants, pill popping, draft dodging, third world prostitute staking, Viagra-propped up Rush doesn't hear anyone but himself and his 'dildo heads.' The man is a walking 'glass house.'
How about this: Rush could very well have brought a parkinson's expert onto his show to explain how the ad was false. Or would an expert have ruined Rush's ill-informed argument?
Even the anti-stem cell ad that was thrown together, starring Jim "Jesus" Caviezel and Patricia "this just isn't natural, like my boobs and face," did not stoop to Rush's level.
But even with his implants, pill popping, draft dodging, third world prostitute staking, Viagra-propped up Rush doesn't hear anyone but himself and his 'dildo heads.' The man is a walking 'glass house.'
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I believe that the overwhelming majority of people find Rush's comments ill-informed and petty....
How about this: Rush could very well have brought a parkinson's expert onto his show to explain how the ad was false.
How about this: Rush could very well have brought a parkinson's expert onto his show to explain how the ad was false.
Exactly -- and that expert's statements would serve as a legitimate challenge worth considering, not as someone's personal attack with a questionable basis in facts.
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But even with his implants, pill popping, draft dodging, third world prostitute staking, Viagra-propped up Rush doesn't hear anyone but himself and his 'dildo heads.' The man is a walking 'glass house.'
bwahahaahahahhahahhahaaaa
"a walking glass house" and a rather large one at that.LOL
Politics and personal assaults aside, the central issue here is still stem cell research. What's made us a great nation is our ability to innovate and create things that the rest of the industrialized world wants.
Whether it be Mickey D's restaurants, windows based computers, defense technology or medical treatments.
In the near future the European Union, China & India are going to be able to compete on a more level playing field. I dont' think it's wise to pull out all the stops and throw money at it. But at the same time we shouldn't restrict research and innovations when they've been one of our key strengths.
Whether it be Mickey D's restaurants, windows based computers, defense technology or medical treatments.
In the near future the European Union, China & India are going to be able to compete on a more level playing field. I dont' think it's wise to pull out all the stops and throw money at it. But at the same time we shouldn't restrict research and innovations when they've been one of our key strengths.
Emphasis added by me:
Fox: I Wasn't Off Meds in Political Ads
By FRAZIER MOORE, Associated Press TV Writer
NEW YORK - In a response to charges by conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox defended his appearance in recent political campaign ads, saying he was neither acting nor off his medication for Parkinson's disease.
On the contrary, he had been overmedicated, the actor said during an interview aired on Thursday's "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric."
"The irony of it is that I was too medicated," Fox told Couric, adding that his jumpy condition as he spoke to her reflected "a dearth of medication _ not by design. I just take it, and it kicks in when it kicks in."
"That's funny _ the notion that you could calculate it for effect," he said. "Would that we could."
The 7 1/2-minute interview with Fox, whose shaking at one point dislodged the microphone clipped to his jacket lapel, aired in two segments taped Thursday afternoon on the "Evening News" set.
Fox drew some conservative criticism after an ad began running in Missouri during the World Series. It showed Fox visibly shaking while urging fans to vote yes for stem-cell research and Democratic Senate challenger Claire McCaskill _ and no to the Republican incumbent Jim Talent.
"They say all politics is local, but it's not always the case," Fox says in the 30-second spot. "What you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans _ Americans like me."
Fox, who supports research on embryonic stem cell for a potential cure for Parkinson's, also has lent his celebrity to Democrats Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin, running for the Senate in Maryland, and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, who is seeking re-election. Both politicians also back stem-cell research.
The ads triggered a backlash, with radio commentator Limbaugh claiming during his broadcast that Fox was "either off his medication or acting." Limbaugh called Fox "really shameless" in his effort to stir up sympathy. Limbaugh apologized later in the broadcast.
Fox told Couric that he did the ads only to advance his cause, and that he doesn't care about politics.
"Disease is a nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution," he said.
"Would you support a Republican candidate?" Couric asked.
"I have," Fox replied. "I've campaigned for Arlen Specter," describing the Republican Senator from Pennsylvania as a "fantastic champion of stem-cell research."
"We have a right if there's answers out there, to pursue those answers with the full support of our politicians," he said.
Fox, 45, who starred on TV's "Family Ties" and "Spin City" as well as the "Back to the Future" films, was diagnosed with Parkinson's in 1991 and revealed his condition publicly in 1998. In 2000, he quit full-time acting because of his symptoms and founded the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research, which has raised millions of dollars.
At the conclusion of the first segment of the interview, Couric told viewers 1/2that her father has Parkinson's and that she has made contributions for research to Fox's foundation.
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=.../26/507760.html
"Disease is a nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution." Isn't that the truth...
Fox: I Wasn't Off Meds in Political Ads
By FRAZIER MOORE, Associated Press TV Writer
NEW YORK - In a response to charges by conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox defended his appearance in recent political campaign ads, saying he was neither acting nor off his medication for Parkinson's disease.
On the contrary, he had been overmedicated, the actor said during an interview aired on Thursday's "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric."
"The irony of it is that I was too medicated," Fox told Couric, adding that his jumpy condition as he spoke to her reflected "a dearth of medication _ not by design. I just take it, and it kicks in when it kicks in."
"That's funny _ the notion that you could calculate it for effect," he said. "Would that we could."
The 7 1/2-minute interview with Fox, whose shaking at one point dislodged the microphone clipped to his jacket lapel, aired in two segments taped Thursday afternoon on the "Evening News" set.
Fox drew some conservative criticism after an ad began running in Missouri during the World Series. It showed Fox visibly shaking while urging fans to vote yes for stem-cell research and Democratic Senate challenger Claire McCaskill _ and no to the Republican incumbent Jim Talent.
"They say all politics is local, but it's not always the case," Fox says in the 30-second spot. "What you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans _ Americans like me."
Fox, who supports research on embryonic stem cell for a potential cure for Parkinson's, also has lent his celebrity to Democrats Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin, running for the Senate in Maryland, and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, who is seeking re-election. Both politicians also back stem-cell research.
The ads triggered a backlash, with radio commentator Limbaugh claiming during his broadcast that Fox was "either off his medication or acting." Limbaugh called Fox "really shameless" in his effort to stir up sympathy. Limbaugh apologized later in the broadcast.
Fox told Couric that he did the ads only to advance his cause, and that he doesn't care about politics.
"Disease is a nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution," he said.
"Would you support a Republican candidate?" Couric asked.
"I have," Fox replied. "I've campaigned for Arlen Specter," describing the Republican Senator from Pennsylvania as a "fantastic champion of stem-cell research."
"We have a right if there's answers out there, to pursue those answers with the full support of our politicians," he said.
Fox, 45, who starred on TV's "Family Ties" and "Spin City" as well as the "Back to the Future" films, was diagnosed with Parkinson's in 1991 and revealed his condition publicly in 1998. In 2000, he quit full-time acting because of his symptoms and founded the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research, which has raised millions of dollars.
At the conclusion of the first segment of the interview, Couric told viewers 1/2that her father has Parkinson's and that she has made contributions for research to Fox's foundation.
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=.../26/507760.html
"Disease is a nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution." Isn't that the truth...
"Disease is a nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution."
Also love that part! We should all adopt it. Thanks for the link.
Also love that part! We should all adopt it. Thanks for the link.
Good article, Darleneann. Even if I don't personally want to get into the whole party politics aspect of alleged faking of stupidity, it's still an excellent summation of just how manipulative one individual can be by playing stupid/ignorant when they set their mind to it.
Limberger is not stupid. He just wants everyone else to think he is. His statement is all about ratings. Anyone who believes this wasn't a calculated and well planned comment is just not paying attention. He'll say anything to get his ignorant followers to listen to his radio propaganda. Everything he says on his show and elsewhere is well rehearsed and planned. Don't be fooled. It's all about $$$$.
The shame of all of this is that what Fox was saying in the ad was false in the first place. It's too bad Limbaugh attacked him about his disease, he shouldn't have - that was wrong! He should have just challenged him on his facts though, or lack of facts.
Stem cell research is NOT illegal in the US. If it was as promising as you all say - the private sector would be all over it. Fox is a fraud, not because he is ill, but because he is using his illness as a politcal tool. Very distasteful to me. Is Fox even an American citizen? I thought he was a Canadian. If it's so terrible down here - don't let the door hit you in the a$$ Michael.
Stem cell research is NOT illegal in the US. If it was as promising as you all say - the private sector would be all over it. Fox is a fraud, not because he is ill, but because he is using his illness as a politcal tool. Very distasteful to me. Is Fox even an American citizen? I thought he was a Canadian. If it's so terrible down here - don't let the door hit you in the a$$ Michael.
Michael J. Fox IS indeed a U.S. citizen. I may have missed this, but I don't think he ever alleged that stem cell research was illegal. Rather, I believe his position is "let's keep it legal" since there are factions of voters who feel that embryonic stem cell research should be illegal. (Note: I personally am undecided on that issue.)
Embryonic Stem Cell research is currently legal but you can't get any government funding for it because of religious superstition. I'm sure that the wing-nuts in the GOP are pushing to outlaw it.
Nothing in the Fox in the Fox ad is false. He says the research holds out the hope for a cure, not that it will provide a cure.
Rush is the GOP's go to guy for smear jobs like this but Bush's hands are dirty too. If you can't discredit the message go after the messager is SOP for the republicans.
Look back to the 2000 race, Bush's empty rhetoric was no match for Al gore's factual persentation of his policies so the GOP and a willing media resorted to lies and distortion about his character.
The GOP and the media did the same during the run-up to Bush's Iraq murder spree. The NYT's Judith Miller happly stenographed any claim released by the Bush administration. It was so bad that the Times fired her but they have never apologised for their cheerleading.
Nothing in the Fox in the Fox ad is false. He says the research holds out the hope for a cure, not that it will provide a cure.
Rush is the GOP's go to guy for smear jobs like this but Bush's hands are dirty too. If you can't discredit the message go after the messager is SOP for the republicans.
Look back to the 2000 race, Bush's empty rhetoric was no match for Al gore's factual persentation of his policies so the GOP and a willing media resorted to lies and distortion about his character.
The GOP and the media did the same during the run-up to Bush's Iraq murder spree. The NYT's Judith Miller happly stenographed any claim released by the Bush administration. It was so bad that the Times fired her but they have never apologised for their cheerleading.
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