I called my primary care physician today (Friday October 23) and was informed that they are OUT of the REGULAR flu shot vaccine and have no idea when they will get a new supply. They are a high volume group (meat market) serving a wide demographic in the city and county... and apparently nobody's getting either at this point in time.

Regarding SWINE FLU (after a chuckle) the nurse said they have NONE and NO IDEA when or IF they will be getting the Swine flu vaccine. So much for protecting yourself against the epidemic.

My daughter got her H1N1 vaccine at CHOP last week but she's on the high risk list and was among the first to get them.

But I am not aware as of this date of anybody who has received their Swine Flu shots.

What is your experience getting the vaccinations?

LNP: This is newsworthy information! While the media is crowing all over about Swine Flu and the CDC has been moaning about this for nearly a year now, it's amazing how little protection the public has been provided.

Comments anybody?

Our work gives free flu shots every year though LGH. LGH cancelled about 2 weeks ago due to unavailability. They said they may have enough in late November. I may just forget about my flu shot this year.
The H1N1 shot IMO is too new and scary for me to be trying. I don't think they have enough information or tested it enough yet. I will NOT be getting this shot!

Am I the only one who sees this poll 7 times or have my eyes gone bad? I voted on a different one.

I don't know but "Little Cesar's Pizza" commercial comes to mind.

Here's my thoughts...I've never had any flu vaccine. They just guess, and are usually wrong so it's just a bell cow.

It takes years to develop a vaccine...and we can make one for H1N1 in a few months? No thanks.

The first time I had the normal flu, I made it through, again it was the first time I ever had it. If I get H1N1, it will the the first time I have had it, and hopefully I make it! It's just the flu, there's nothing different about it other that the fact that it's early.

I think the media has blown this up making everyone panic about something that isn't anything new. Quit eating pork and you'll be just fine! lol

I wish my solution was as easy as to quit eating pork. What would you do if you had a compromised immune system?

Whoops... sorry if it's duplicated. I was tinkering with the poll feature (to get some experience since it's similar to Survey Monkey) and had an Email lock-up. In frustration and not wanting to start over I clicked on 'Post' more than one time... Hope the mods got it patched up. Apologies if the error was mine. Technology: Can't live with it/can't live without it.

Back to point of the post:
I had the full flu years ago and was very sick; at one point so miserable it scared me. I don't want to go through that experience again (or possibly worse due to secondary Pneumonia) so to me the flu shot is a good idea. As a parent of a chronically ill child, I was advised to have a flu shot every year to prevent flu in the home as an xtra precaution against my daughter getting it.

Maybe someone more involved with healthcare would comment on this?

The item on 60 Minutes last week-- serious complications due to Pneumonia-- motivated me to take action.

You get the swine flu from eating pork didn't you know? lol...Was this a direct ? to me? If so, I'm not sure, I guess it would depend on what you mean by compromised immune system. For example, my immune system is compromised because I have chronic sinus problems so whatever is in my blood to fight infections is on overdrive all the time. I'm always sick. I still do not get a flu shot because I do not believe they work, I also have lots of family in the medical field that also state they're not really worth much unless you're really old, young, or have certain medical conditions. I also think it's better to let your body try and fight off whatever, rather than just introducing a foreign matter to prevent it. Yes I know the flu kills tons of people, but it's like automatic population control (just kidding, sort of). So in my un-official medical opinion if you think you need the flu shot to survive the year then get it, if not wash your hands, keep your tongues out of peoples mouths, dont eat tissues and you might be ok

Disclaimer: Jake only plays a dr...well you probably don't want to know when...so ask a real dr if you need medical advice.

I receive monthly IVIGd infussions and I'm not receiving the swine flu shot.

Conversed with 5 "specialists" and that's the concensus.

I have, however; received the "normal" flu shot.

My husband's employere usually has a flu shot clinic, but it too was canceled. I've seen other flu shot clinics canceled in the area as well (ex. our church) due to lack of supply. I am still trying to get an appt. for the "normal" flu shot for myself and my husband. When you have young children, the pediatricians recommend parents get the shot, too, because it doesn't do any good if one of you bring the bug home. I agree with this philosophy.

If we could get the swine flu vaccine, my husband and I might get it, but our pediatrician hasn't gotten it, so there's no guarantee we could get it for the kids at this point. This could be the key determinant as to whether or not we get the shots ourselves.

Obviously, I don't buy into the "government microchip conspiracy" thing.

We are being polled to death on the issues these days.

assuming the flu shot is effective, wouldnt that mean one could still carry the virus (and therefore spread it)? i thought the idea was the immune system through basically a practice drill would be able to fight off the virus from manifesting into sickness. i didnt think the shot was supposed to act as a force-field (for lack of a better description) stopping the virus from entering the body.

If one gets the inhaled live but attenuated version, doesn't that make you a source and a carrier?
Anyone heard a good explanation of how this virus contains parts from three different species?

We're not to get the inhaled version of seasonal and H1N1 at the same time...why again?

Maybe you should have gotten your Poll Flu Shot.

I don't think it was your error. The site seemed to be having some problems at that particular time.

Entire family had the new flu over the past couple of weeks. Over and done with in three days for each person. Not much worse then the common cold and much easier to deal with then the regular flu. I admit everyone is different. Just sharing our experience.

So you can't just vote "no, I'm not going to get a shot" without thinking it's some sort of government manipulation?

Keep getting a board message that I haven't picked a choice "to vote against"?

Won't be getting either, government manipulation. Not just our U.S. gov. Another one-world ploy.

Polls aimed at an outcome are easily noted when appropriate mirror choices are not offered.

This poll is a relatively mild strain.

Inhaled versions are both weakened live virus. The feeling is that getting both that way might (might!) overwhelm one's immune system and result in flu.

The injection is not live virus! You cannot get flu from the injectables. (If you become ill, it is because you already had the flu incubating before you got the shot.

I know a number of people who would dispute the claim you can't get sick from the injections. Maybe not the full-blown flu, but your body still has a reaction. Could produce symptoms of the flu, true or false?
So if the wrong person sneezes on you, prior to getting the jab, you may develop it anyway? With it being a pandemic, that eventuality seems very likely. In a genuine pandemic, wouldn't the affected be quarantined?

Interesting - maybe it is a government plot.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027323_swine_fl...y_pandemic.html

An update on not getting sick: A co-worker of mine came into work today, so upset. Her daughter got the H1N1 vaccines for both of her kids on Thursday, and they have been sick ever since. Fevers of 103 and 104, and the kids haven't been doing anything but sneezing, coughing, and sleeping since Friday. Needless to say, they are out of school and the family is on the warpath... They aren't feeling any better today.

Interesting, where did they get the vaccines? Did they get them in Lancaster? Why is the family on the "warpath"?

Is it really possible that the flu virus would have kicked in that quickly? My understanding is that the incubation period from exposure to the virus is a couple of days, which is why I'm wondering if maybe they hadn't already contracted it from someone else at school.....

That would be my guess. You aren't supposed to get the vaccine if you have a fever or had one less than 24 hours previous, but evidently the flu in some kids isn't starting with a fever.

maybe it isnt the flu. there is a big difference, though not rightfully emphasized, between the flu and flu-like symptoms.

Our pediatrician told me that we had to wait 3 days after a fever broke before we could get one of the kids vaccinated. I also confirmed with the CDC flu site that a fever is not always present in victims of the flu.

Did the Obama administration just say that the H1N1 vaccine will not be available to people who don't have health insurance or qualify for free shots? What the heck?

No, they did not say that.

From A1's linked item (thank-you A1):

Emergency powers trump the Bill of Rights
That's the public explanation for this, but the real agenda behind this declaration may be far more sinister. Declaring a national emergency immediately gives federal authorities dangerous new powers that can now be enforced at gunpoint, including:

• The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population.

• The power to arrest, quarantine or "involuntarily transport" anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination.

• The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city.

• The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health.

The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights. Your right to due process, to being safe from government search and seizure, and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency.

None of this means that federal agents are going to march door to door arresting people at gunpoint if they refuse the vaccine, but they could if they wanted to. Your rights as an American are no longer recognized under this national emergency declaration.


What emergency?
The declaration of this national emergency seems suspicious from the start. Where's the emergency? The number of people killed by swine flu in the United States is far smaller than the number of people killed each year from seasonal flu, according to CDC statistics. People obviously aren't dropping dead by the millions from H1N1 influenza. Most people are just getting mild flu symptoms and a few days later they're fine.

So where's the emergency?

The only emergency I can see is the emergency fabricated by Big Pharma to sell more vaccines. By declaring a national emergency over the H1N1 pandemic, Obama is playing right into their hands.

I find the timing of all this curious. Two days ago, New York gave up on its efforts to require mandatory vaccinations of health care workers. This was designed to defuse a large number of planned protests from health freedom-conscious people who don't want government-mandated chemicals pumped into their veins.

£1.5bn swine flu vaccine boost for GSK and Astra

The swine flu pandemic will result in a £1.5bn boost for the UK’s two drug giants, according to analysts’ estimates.

By Jonathan Russell
Published: 8:18PM GMT 25 Oct 2009

Although the numbers will not be included in third-quarter results due to be released this week, GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca are expected to reap significant financial rewards for vaccines they have been rushing to release over the last few months.

timing couldnt have worked out better!

Jeremy Batstone-Carr, analyst at Charles Stanley, said: “The adverse impact of off-patent issues is lessening, with just Valtrex [a herpes drug] to suffer in December, following which point we expect underlying improvements to emerge.”

99% of people with the H1N1 flu recover ... I'll take my chances of avoiding that 1% over volunteering for a vaccine that was developed very quickly. I think my chances are better letting my own body fight it off.

My daughter and several of her friends have already had the swine flu, which is moving through our local high school like a wildfire. All recuperated in approximately 3 days, but with a lingering cough.

Wash your hands, practice good hygiene and pay attention to others when you are in a public space. Sneezes and coughs can travel 5-6 feet, so avoid close contact.

One thing that raised my "red alert" flags ... pay attention to all the television and print commercials touting the flu vaccine. When there is a profit involved, watch your back America. Somebody needs a new yacht or Mercedes, and they love when the fear factor drives up their profit margins.

from 2006

Major drugs lose patent protection in 2006
Apr 3, 2006
By: Fred Gebhart, Contributing Editor
Drug Topics Supplements

This year is the first in a string of what could be very good years for the generic drug industry. About $12 billion worth of brand-name drugs lose patent protection this year, according to pharmacy benefit manager Express Scripts. Another $11 billion in branded products go off patent in 2007, $10 billion in 2008, and even more in 2009 and 2010.

coupled with:



Pharma Lobby and Democrats
PhRMA (Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America) boosted its spending on lobbying last year by 25 percent, to more than $22 million. The increase made the group the second-largest purchaser of lobbying services -- which includes both lobbyists and issue advertising -- after only the capital's perennial top spender, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, according to CQ MoneyLine, which tracks money in politics.

and things make a little more sense

Wonder why the media hasn't picked up on the study showing people who got the seasonal flu shot are twice as likely to get the swine flu? I think it might be time to take a second look at all flu shots and their effectiveness. Are those who get regularly vaccinated against the flu developing a reliance of the shot?

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/u...increase_you_ch

I guess sex with strangers is out.

They live north of Manheim. They got them at their family practice. The reason I said they are on the warpath is because one of the children is very prone to getting sick, and they had a little over a month that he hadn't been ill. The other child has never been sick in his life. Adding to it, I believe, is that Dad is deployed again and all of the family who is local has been pitching in to help take care of the kids and it's a hardship to have them sick.



Another one... I have a good friend who's son is in the military, and he got his H1N1 shot, got sick, and recovered after a few days. I just got an email from my friend just now, explaining how she isn't choosing to get the rest of her kids done with the vaccine.

Just make sure they are facing the opposite direction to avoid sneezes/coughs. If they're strangers, they won't mind.

Fox has picked up on it; or were you referring to the REAL media?

Fox is the REAL media ... the Republican Party's real media branch