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diamondj
Lord Christopher Monckton, former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, gave a scathing refutation of the concept of man-caused global warming at Bethel University in St. Paul, Minnesota. He closed his presentation with a stern warning to Americans that President Obama will be signing a new climate change treaty (likely to be known as the Copenhagen Treaty) at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in early December and that this treaty will "impose a communist world government on the world."

Click here for the full story and the current draft of the Copenhagen Treaty

diamondj
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notveryhow
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Our favorite contrarian, the potty peer Christopher Monckton has been indulging in a little aristocratic artifice again. Not one to be constrained by mere facts or observable reality, he has launched a sally against Andy Revkin for reporting the shocking news that past industry disinformation campaigns were not sincere explorations of the true uncertainties in climate science.

To see the extent of this chicanery, one needs only plot the actual IPCC projections against the observations. This can be done a number of ways, firstly, plotting the observational data and the models used by IPCC with a common baseline of 1980-1999 temperatures (as done in the 2007 report) (Note that the model output is for the annual mean, monthly variance would be larger):
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Much, much more:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...e-manipulation/


From Politifact: Liar, Liar Pants on Fire!

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Christopher Monckton — a British hereditary peer and high-profile skeptic of both global warming and international agreements — caused a stir on Oct. 14, 2009, with a forceful denunciation of the upcoming international talks on climate change in Copenhagen, Denmark, scheduled for Dec. 7-18, 2009.

In a speech in St. Paul, Minn., Monckton called the pending agreement a "dreadful treaty" and said, among other things, that the parties "are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He's going to sign. He'll sign anything."....



Even so, we find Monckton's claims to not only be unsupported but preposterous. First, it's impossible to know what agreement will come out of Copenhagen, and when. Second, the U.S. procedure for ratifying treaties requires consent by a supermajority of the Senate — a steep hurdle. Third, it's hard to envision anything coming out of Copenhagen that would change the United States' bedrock principles of freedom and democracy. And fourth, contrary to what Monckton says, the United States can leave an international agreement. So while it pays to be vigilant about threats to U.S. sovereignty, this one is not the threat that Monckton's rhetoric suggests. So Lord Monckton earns a special ruling — Britches on Fire!


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/st...gen-treaty-thr/
salty
Why sign any treaties? Doesn't that fly in the face of the Founder's notions of no foreign entanglements, even if it turns out as tame as proponents claim? Fed power being boosted over State's powers again. What is the record regarding the likely effect of such control increases? Note the wealth redistribution angle again.
Bustina di tè
The fact that Congress must approve any treaty is lost on these bozos.
galty
Beck appears to be quite sane in this interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xy5_L1vJKQ&NR=1


salty
The same congress that passed the Patriot Act without reading it, as well as NAFTA and GATT. Yeah, that's a giant hurdle.
diamondj
QUOTE (notveryhow @ Oct 22 2009, 09:20 PM) *


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mcymatt
BO will sign the treaty to show just how far he is willing to go to please the left & ruin our form of government. We can only hope that the treaty is not ratified by the Senate & that the D’s loose seats to help stem the tide.

I do not think anyone here want an unelected taxing body governing this country.

notveryhow
QUOTE (mcymatt @ Oct 23 2009, 03:01 PM) *
BO will sign the treaty to show just how far he is willing to go to please the left & ruin our form of government. We can only hope that the treaty is not ratified by the Senate & that the D's loose seats to help stem the tide.

I do not think anyone here want an unelected taxing body governing this country.


Well, with your great precognitive powers you have ascertained that Obama will sign the treaty. Can you also tell us what is in the treaty that hasn't been written yet?
FreeThINC
Global warming and climate change are a hoax. These scientists are crazy and they're trying to ruin the minds of our children. They don't even know the earth is six-thousand years old. They should pick up a bible sometime instead of relying on objective observations proven through experimentation. Ha. They think they're so smart. Even my dog knows that god is in control of the climate. I took him to church during baptisms and he ran to the front and straight into the water. Yup, baptized dog.
salty
When I no longer see chemtrails across the sky, I'll consider the weather a natural event again. Till then, I'll see the whole global warming as a sloppy cover story.

Treaty alone will impact the global temp., how? Enforcement. Carried out by whom? What "mandates" might fall under this broad heading? Any soothsayers here willing to share their vision of what guises this effort may engender? Give some thought to our current lifestyle, and understand any cut in consumption of energy or resources WILL negatively impact it. Up for austere changes in lifestyle? C'mon, it's for the good of the whole world. Who will be able to refuse?

Impoverishment will help the sales job significantly. Giving many no choice about a new austere lifestyle. While the flies on top of the pile, will remain the flies on top of the pile. Unfazed by the suffering of those nearer the bottom of the pile. It's for their own good.
mcymatt
QUOTE (notveryhow @ Oct 23 2009, 03:58 PM) *
Well, with your great precognitive powers you have ascertained that Obama will sign the treaty. Can you also tell us what is in the treaty that hasn't been written yet?


Read the current version yourself.
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009/smsn/ngo/157.pdf
mcymatt
There is NO proof that the earth is warming outside of its naturally occurring cycle. Of course Gore would dispute that. His movie “an inconvenient lie” has been discredited. We are on a cooling trend & we have been. That is why now it’s called “climate change”. Now they can blame all the goofy weather on “climate change” caused by people & industry.

CO2 is a naturally occurring gas, exhaled by all animals but that’s pollution now. CO2 is needed for plant life to exist.

“Global Climate Change” is about control. They want to steal our money & give it to the people they want to. They will kill ALL industry and we will have worldwide poverty & hunger.

Lisa Armellino
QUOTE (salty @ Oct 24 2009, 07:24 AM) *
When I no longer see chemtrails across the sky, I'll consider the weather a natural event again. Till then, I'll see the whole global warming as a sloppy cover story.




I was driving from the city to Centerville on Tuesday evening around 6:15pm. I was coming into the clearing where the Subs and Six Packs place is - - there aren't many trees around there, and I noticed immediately a grid of what looks like jet streams up in the sky, so I took pictures on my cell phone. One of my girlfriends consistently captures photos of the sky when the grids are up, and I usually just shrug it off, but I thought of her immediately and wanted to make sure I shared it with her. It was a perfect grid. I wonder if there is barium in the water? That's what people in California tested for: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...videoid=1922304

clanker
QUOTE (Lisa Armellino @ Oct 24 2009, 11:20 AM) *
I was driving from the city to Centerville on Tuesday evening around 6:15pm. I was coming into the clearing where the Subs and Six Packs place is - - there aren't many trees around there, and I noticed immediately a grid of what looks like jet streams up in the sky, so I took pictures on my cell phone. One of my girlfriends consistently captures photos of the sky when the grids are up, and I usually just shrug it off, but I thought of her immediately and wanted to make sure I shared it with her. It was a perfect grid. I wonder if there is barium in the water? That's what people in California tested for: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...videoid=1922304


That was a beautiful sky for sure. The contrails were evenly spaced, but that's not unusual with a number of flights following the same route and then the wind pushing them eastward. It was perfect conditions for iridecent clouds and I wasn't disappointed. I saw one that resembled flames coming out of a blowtorch. I've seen similar clouds on three other occasions.
Guessing that the contrails in California are chemical in nature reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sq-VmBMHkw laugh.gif
salty
High altitude dispersion of something is a fact of life friend. The German government has already admitted to it.
Keep in mind the Armed Forces stated intention to "own the weather". Look up the patents for aerosol dispersion from aircraft, and their dates. Do you honestly think they have been idling since?



clanker
Sure, sure. I believe you. I'm fabricating protective head gear out of heavy duty aluminum foil right now.
Bustina di tè
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I wonder if there is barium in the water? That's what people in California tested for: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...videoid=1922304

Don't know about barium but this has been out there for years.
http://menlocampus.wr.usgs.gov/50years/acc...griculture.html
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Adverse effects of selenium on fish and waterfowl in habitats receiving agricultural drainage was first noticed in the San Joaquin Valley of California in the early 1980s. Scientists in the USGS, including several from Menlo Park, California, have contributed considerable data and analysis on the scope of selenium contamination associated with salinized farmlands and on the hydrological and biogeochemical processes resulting in selenium bioaccumulation. These data have been important in helping to resolve selenium toxicity problems associated with irrigated agriculture in the arid West.

The Imperial Valley is irrigated with water from the Colorado river, you know the the state with all the mines. All those metals and salts are leeched out and accumulate in the water that is then used to irrigate farm land.
Not as exciting as a government conspiracy though, is it?
citizen-too
The contrails are not chemical trails, they are condensation trails.
If theye is more CO2 in the air, it's because of all the elimination of farms & trees for building & parking lots.
clanker
QUOTE (Bustina di tè @ Oct 24 2009, 05:50 PM) *
Don't know about barium but this has been out there for years.
http://menlocampus.wr.usgs.gov/50years/acc...griculture.html

The Imperial Valley is irrigated with water from the Colorado river, you know the the state with all the mines. All those metals and salts are leeched out and accumulate in the water that is then used to irrigate farm land.
Not as exciting as a government conspiracy though, is it?


Metals and salts don't evaporate along with the water. Runoff from mines isn't something new. Our own state has had to address this issue extensively. Barium is a particularly heavy metal.
notveryhow
THINK ZINC!!

We've got our own little know heavy metals issue, zinc and cadmium.

Summary Corn grown on zinc-rich soil (adjacent to an abandoned zinc mine) showed severe chlorosis and stunting. Soil zinc content was positively correlated with leaf zinc content, but not correlated with leaf iron content.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/r52l74ul892w2868/
mcymatt
QUOTE (citizen-too @ Oct 24 2009, 06:03 PM) *
The contrails are not chemical trails, they are condensation trails.
If theye is more CO2 in the air, it's because of all the elimination of farms & trees for building & parking lots.


Farm animals breath out CO2 as do all animals.

World's Forests Rebounding, Study Suggests
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...13-forests.html

Territory size shows the proportion of worldwide net forest growth that occurred there between 1990 and 2000.
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=107

I took the liberty of copying this from another post "Time to make climate change hot topic here" Post #20

Scientist: Carbon Dioxide Doesn't Cause Global Warming
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whi...al-warming.html

Warming Caused by Soot, Not CO2
http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=conten...ed-soot-not-co2

CO2 driven global warming is not supported by the data
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/co2...rming_is_n.html

The Science of Global Warming in Perspective
http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html



notveryhow
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Farm animals breath out CO2 as do all animals.


Perhaps a primer on the carbon cycle will help.

http://library.thinkquest.org/11226/why.htm

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I took the liberty of copying this from another post "Time to make climate change hot topic here" Post #20


And posts 21, 22, and 23 debunk your post 20 on the "hot topic" (Opinion) thread.
mcymatt
QUOTE (notveryhow @ Oct 26 2009, 09:57 AM) *
Perhaps a primer on the carbon cycle will help.

http://library.thinkquest.org/11226/why.htm



And posts 21, 22, and 23 debunk your post 20 on the "hot topic" (Opinion) thread.


Oh yes I forgot that anyone who disagrees with the administration (or the left) is a partisan, a crack pot or some deranged psychopath. That helps.

reese
QUOTE (mcymatt @ Oct 26 2009, 09:06 PM) *
Oh yes I forgot that anyone who disagrees with the administration (or the left) is a partisan, a crack pot or some deranged psychopath. That helps.



Not in every case, but in yours, absolutely.
notveryhow
QUOTE (mcymatt @ Oct 26 2009, 10:06 PM) *
Oh yes I forgot that anyone who disagrees with the administration (or the left) is a partisan, a crack pot or some deranged psychopath. That helps.


What are you talking about?? i gave you a link to info about the carbon cycle. i didn't say anything about your mental health.
citydweller
"They" are definitely doing "something". What the "something(s)" is/are will likely never make any real news outlet. That is the reality of reality, and hence my tinfoil hat remains on it's hook, by the door.

The best you can do is just keep track of it while living your life, pick where you want to go when "it all goes nuts", and figure out how you can reasonably get there, when "getting there" is about as hard as it could possibly get.

Then call that a "plan".
FreeThINC
Check out this article by the associated press:

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Mon Oct 26, 5:12 pm ETWASHINGTON – Have you heard that the world is now cooling instead of warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not true, according to an analysis of the numbers done by several independent statisticians for The Associated Press.

The case that the Earth might be cooling partly stems from recent weather. Last year was cooler than previous years. It's been a while since the super-hot years of 1998 and 2005. So is this a longer climate trend or just weather's normal ups and downs?

In a blind test, the AP gave temperature data to four independent statisticians and asked them to look for trends, without telling them what the numbers represented. The experts found no true temperature declines over time.

"If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect," said John Grego, a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina.

http://www.ap.org

salty
QUOTE (FreeThINC @ Oct 27 2009, 06:19 AM) *
Check out this article by the associated press:

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Mon Oct 26, 5:12 pm ETWASHINGTON – Have you heard that the world is now cooling instead of warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not true, according to an analysis of the numbers done by several independent statisticians for The Associated Press.

The case that the Earth might be cooling partly stems from recent weather. Last year was cooler than previous years. It's been a while since the super-hot years of 1998 and 2005. So is this a longer climate trend or just weather's normal ups and downs?

In a blind test, the AP gave temperature data to four independent statisticians and asked them to look for trends, without telling them what the numbers represented. The experts found no true temperature declines over time.

"If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect," said John Grego, a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina.

http://www.ap.org


What did those "independent" (unpaid?) statisticians say about the numbers equalling a temp. up trend? Same answer.

I have been watching planes my whole life. Kind of a fascination. I know what I'm looking at now does not look the same as jet contrails from when I was younger. KNOW. I remember remarking the first couple times when I saw those formerly wispy/temporary vapor trails remain and gradually turn into an overcast shield. This is clearly more than condensation of water vapor. Something is being placed at altitude that greatly increases the formation of thin clouds. Denials by the government usually mean what? Jet fuel and engine technology have stayed fairly constant, so any explanation about the differences I observe need to be square with that.




mcymatt
QUOTE (reese @ Oct 26 2009, 09:19 PM) *
Not in every case, but in yours, absolutely.



Sanity is highly over rated. biggrin.gif
mnepats52
QUOTE (mcymatt @ Oct 27 2009, 07:23 AM) *
Sanity is highly over rated. biggrin.gif



"Sweat is my sanity." - Sarah Palin

that explains it...
Wonder
That was funny, clanker.
I wonder if that lady has been educated since she made that video clip and is now blushing.
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