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[rogueGOP]

What is Hawkes obsession here? Is he a propagandist or simply ignorant of EHT actual TND code?

Myth 1: In TND the "T" stands for traditional.

In all of my travels I have not seen dense housing mixed with up to six big box stores. Add the planned light rail line and all the parking needed for the above, who in their right mind would purchase a house in this area. The amount of traffic alone would make it dangerous for anyone to allow a child to play outdoors. Strangers roaming around also raises the risk of abduction and other crimes. Tune in to HGTV and watch a show like "My House is Worth What?" and note that the proximity of apartments drops the value of a house. Imagine the proximity of box stores etc. effect on the houses value.



Myth 2: Independence will have little impact on the surrounding area since it will be "self-contained".

Note all impact studies and fees were striken from the code. I suppose no one will have any desire to leave their little paradise and shop or attend events elsewhere. Give me a break! Hempfields hub is straight up Centerville Road which cannot handle present traffic conditions. Remember, the developer is not responsible for any road improvements.

HHS is already at its capacity. Who pays for the additional 40% increase in population and resultant children's school needs? Who pays for the additional police and fire personnel? For every $1 paid in taxes for new development, the new resident receives $1.25 in services. Do you know who pays for the deficit?



Myth 3: Smart growth is "Smart".

The proponents of smart growth are developers. Since EHT TND "would help meet the county's need for housing and economic development while easing development pressure on landscapes outside of urban growth areas" where are the signed agreements???? Where do the developers promise to leave our pristine farmland undeveloped? Where do other townships promise not to rezone ag land? Where does the county promise to suppliment EHT infrastructure needs?

The "experts" are similiar to the very same social planners who touted "public housing" in the 70's. When their "thoughtful regional planning" creates a hellish situation who is left with the bill? Not the so called experts.

EHT has a "TND." It is found in the 200+ pages of our township codes. It allows for residential areas, industrial areas, commercial areas, ag areas, parks, schools, etc. Thoughtful people on our Planning Commision have spent decades fine tuning and adjusting our planning. There are checks and balances built into the process. The new TND bypasses the processes that have kept EHT a livable and desirable community.

Myth 4: The people who are affected by poor policy should have no impact on policy.

Do we live in Cuba or the USSR? Yes, John Bingham does resemble Putin but that aside....last I checked the Constitution was still the law of the land.
So Hawke, what's up?

This post has been edited by rogueGOP: 23 February 2008 - 07:10 PM

[citydweller]

Do we live in Cuba or the USSR? Yes, John Bingham does resemble Putin but that aside....last I checked the Constitution was still the law of the land.
So Hawke, what's up?

I'd love to wax at length over every obtuse statement you made in that post, but it's a waste of bytes when I can simply say:

Dude, you are a totally ignorant NIMBY.

It's fine if you like what you have and fear change, but don't try to pretend that your personal lifestyle preferences are right simply because that's what you want

Now quick, go check under the bed to make sure a terrrrrrrist with a dirty sneaker bomb isn't hiding there, and then put some pins in your Billary voodoo doll to help you fall asleep more peacefully.

[BigKahuna]

I live in EH and am not a NIMBY. I appreciate the TND from a taxpayer standpoint. They have to stop building nothing but single homes on large lots. It is sprawl at its worst. I don't think the opponents of the TND know what the definition of sprawl is. We need mixed housing of all sizes. Maybe Wheaton and her people want to shut out the "lower" class. God knows we can't afford houses in the $200K+ range. $400K and up? Give me a feakin break. Townhomes, apartments, small homes on small lots, apartments over businesses, that what we need. Oh wait...that might draw the "wrong kind". The TND was an opportunity that was shut down before a good working ordinance had a chance to be developed. I don't think it was even close to being an ordinance that could go for a vote. Those dinks cut it off without even giving it a thought.



TND's the size of Independence are over a course of 20 - 25+ years. Without smart growth like TNDs, I guess the people who live here 30 - 40 years from now will know who to blame for the homes on one acre lots on the farms north of 283.



If you knew anything about impact fees you would know that its the worst idea you could come up with. You can't use impact fees unless you bring all your existing intersections, roads, etc. up to standards. Ask other places that have impact fees and find out if they can use them or not. NOT!



Making the developers give the appropriate contributions to improvements is what gets us the most bang for the buck.



Hawkes was right - this twp. is in trouble.

[rogueGOP]

I live in EH and am not a NIMBY. I appreciate the TND from a taxpayer standpoint. They have to stop building nothing but single homes on large lots. It is sprawl at its worst. I don't think the opponents of the TND know what the definition of sprawl is. We need mixed housing of all sizes. Maybe Wheaton and her people want to shut out the "lower" class.

BK, what's a NIMBY?

Sprawl is bad, yes. The proposed "TND" was bad. Yes, we need mixed housing. Did you actually study the proposed TND? How does this prevent sprawl in the rest of the county?

What is this obsession you have with Wheaton and "her people"? You appear to hate the lady unnaturally. Are you a conspiracy theory type? Her "people" in the case of the TND were over 6,000 households. It was my understanding that she wasn't all that instrumental in getting the word out about the TND. Lane spearheaded that. Your slip is showing.

[rogueGOP]

I'd love to wax at length over every obtuse statement you made in that post, but it's a waste of bytes when I can simply say:

Dude, you are a totally ignorant NIMBY.

It's fine if you like what you have and fear change, but don't try to pretend that your personal lifestyle preferences are right simply because that's what you want

Now quick, go check under the bed to make sure a terrrrrrrist with a dirty sneaker bomb isn't hiding there, and then put some pins in your Billary voodoo doll to help you fall asleep more peacefully.

You're unglued ...dude.

What is a NIMBY?

[Artie See]

What is a NIMBY?

Not In My Back Yard

[rogueGOP]

Not In My Back Yard

Thank you.

[BigKahuna]

One has to wonder if the supervisors violated the Sunshine Law. A vote on an ordinance has to be advertised doesn't it? This was not.

I guess they can say that they voted to stop working on the ordinance, but isn't that splitting hairs?

Either way it was not legally advertised.

[rogueGOP]

One has to wonder if the supervisors violated the Sunshine Law. A vote on an ordinance has to be advertised doesn't it? This was not.

I guess they can say that they voted to stop working on the ordinance, but isn't that splitting hairs?

Either way it was not legally advertised.

It was an ordinace in the making. The vote was to can working on the ordinance.

The last administration under Bernhardt with Marcinko at the helm (twp. manager), was so embroiled with scandal that the present board of supervisors have a sitting solicitor at every meeting. Since some of the present board habitually walk the ethical line (such as shaking down businessmen for campaign "donations" when they have issues before the board), this has been a prudent practise.

The solicitor is frequently questioned. This was not a violation.
Hawkes, Smart, BK..did any one of you read the actual TND??????!

This post has been edited by rogueGOP: 25 February 2008 - 02:27 PM

[rogueGOP]

I ask again: Have you read the actual EHT TND proposal Hawkes?