[Lancaster Online]

[Artie See]

We hate the president, our leaders. I really feel sorry for us who hate. We can all agree to disagree, but hate? Yes, we can hate whatever is said, but not the person.

As I learned the hard way, it is possible to DISAGREE without hate.

I don't hate Charlie Smithgall, Ted Darcus, Dave Hixson, Gib Armstrong, Mike Sturla, Nevin Cooley, Dale High, or the other politicians and plutocrats I strongly disagree with. I know some of these are really decent individuals.

On the other hand, as a Christian I CANNOT support someone who has clearly sinned in their conduct of public affairs. It would be a sin for me to support a public official who has clearly violated the public trust.

[Hope]

On the other hand, as a Christian I CANNOT support someone who has clearly sinned in their conduct of public affairs. It would be a sin for me to support a public official who has clearly violated the public trust.

This is exactly why I could not support John Kerry in the last election. I believed that his views on abortion were sinful and it would have been a sin for me to support him.

Just to clarify for those that don't remember, Kerry believes that life begins at conception and also believes in a woman's right to choose. To me, he clearly advocated murder...

[dc]

This is exactly why I could not support John Kerry in the last election. I believed that his views on abortion were sinful and it would have been a sin for me to support him.
Just to clarify for those that don't remember, Kerry believes that life begins at conception and also believes in a woman's right to choose. To me, he clearly advocated murder...

I thought that the people that supported abortion believed that life begins at birth.......

[Bigmaclender2]

I thought that the people that supported abortion believed that life begins at birth.......

That is correct, they do. Some believe it is from acual conception and yet others believe it is from the time there is a heartbeat. That's what separates pro-life from pro choice-where the beginning is perceived.

[Lysol54]

This is exactly why I could not support John Kerry in the last election. I believed that his views on abortion were sinful and it would have been a sin for me to support him.

Just to clarify for those that don't remember, Kerry believes that life begins at conception and also believes in a woman's right to choose. To me, he clearly advocated murder...

So you base your entire vote on one wedge issue? And because GW was pro-life you voted for him? Theres more to this world than abortion and to vote on that single issue alone i believe is a disservice. Although your doing exactly what all the politicos want you to do. Rather than look at the whole picture, look at one thing? Funny you have a president now that has no problem killing innocent people. I thought he was pro-life?? Doesn't that mean all life?

[dc]

So you base your entire vote on one wedge issue? And because GW was pro-life you voted for him? Theres more to this world than abortion and to vote on that single issue alone i believe is a disservice. Although your doing exactly what all the politicos want you to do. Rather than look at the whole picture, look at one thing? Funny you have a president now that has no problem killing innocent people. I thought he was pro-life?? Doesn't that mean all life?

The answer to your question is "no". I am pro life. Yet I can tell you that if you were to break into my home and were about to cause great harm to either my wife or child, I am going to protect them at all costs. If this means that I would have to shoot you to stop you and you die as a result of my actions, this is what is going to happen. You might not agree with this, and that is okay. I believe that one of my responsibilities in life is to protect my family. This is the way that I was raised........

This post has been edited by dodgecrew: 07 February 2008 - 04:28 PM

[justplainjoe]

This is exactly why I could not support John Kerry in the last election. I believed that his views on abortion were sinful and it would have been a sin for me to support him.

Just to clarify for those that don't remember, Kerry believes that life begins at conception and also believes in a woman's right to choose. To me, he clearly advocated murder...

so did you vote for the war criminal instead?LOL

[Lysol54]

The answer to your question is "no". I am pro life. Yet I can tell you that if you were to break into my home and were about to cause great harm to either my wife or child, I am going to protect them at all costs. If this means that I would have to shoot you to stop you and you die as a result of my actions, this is what is going to happen. You might not agree with this, and that is okay. I believe that one of my responsibilities in life is to protect my family. This is the way that I was raised........

Dodge i wasn't directing that to you i was directing that at hope. But since you bring it up, self defence is differant that going out and starting a war. JMO

[Bigmaclender2]

This is exactly why I could not support John Kerry in the last election. I believed that his views on abortion were sinful and it would have been a sin for me to support him.

Just to clarify for those that don't remember, Kerry believes that life begins at conception and also believes in a woman's right to choose. To me, he clearly advocated murder...

So, basically, it appears that you don't agree with killing unborn children but it's okay to kill grown adults?

[Goldilocks]

Funny you have a president now that has no problem killing innocent people. I thought he was pro-life?? Doesn't that mean all life?

Good point, but begs the question. Why are the same people, who are opposed to killing in war, perfectly okay with killing unborn people?

[dc]

Dodge i wasn't directing that to you i was directing that at hope. But since you bring it up, self defence is differant that going out and starting a war. JMO

I am not disagreeing with you. The phrase "all life" was what jumped out at me. I do know that there are some that would not agree with me based on their religion. Yet, I stand by what I believe.....

Good point, but begs the question. Why are the same people, who are opposed to killing in war, perfectly okay with killing unborn people?

Nice!! I like the thinking behind this......

[Hope]

I thought that the people that supported abortion believed that life begins at birth.......

Most do, Kerry was different. It was a shock to me especially knowing that he is a Catholic as am I.

So you base your entire vote on one wedge issue? And because GW was pro-life you voted for him? Theres more to this world than abortion and to vote on that single issue alone i believe is a disservice. Although your doing exactly what all the politicos want you to do. Rather than look at the whole picture, look at one thing? Funny you have a president now that has no problem killing innocent people. I thought he was pro-life?? Doesn't that mean all life?

How do you make that giant leap? Funny I don't remember saying that I based my entire vote on one issue.

Do you really think that you have the right to tell me, or anyone else for that matter, how to make their decision on their choice for President? Since it's a free county and since I take the time to research and analyze my choices, and since I vote according to my conscience shouldn't it be my right to vote any way I want?

[Lysol54]

Good point, but begs the question. Why are the same people, who are opposed to killing in war, perfectly okay with killing unborn people?

I don't think its ok with killing unborn people. My thing is as another human being i can't force my belief as to what someone else should or shouldn't do with their body. Thats why its called pro-choice not pro-death. I don't agree with abortion, but there are cases where it hink it should be allowed.
And i also find it funny the people that are sooo against abortion are the same people that want to cut funding to help people in need. Less money to social programs etc. Either way you end up paying for it. Whether your supporting a baby born to a crackhead mother because she couldn't get an abortion or your supporting the crackhead and the baby. There are no simple awnsers to any of these questions. And do alittle research about what used to be done before abortion was legal, women that wanted to get rid of babies usually found a way, and that usually ended up costing them their lives.

How do you make that giant leap? Funny I don't remember saying that I based my entire vote on one issue.

Do you really think that you have the right to tell me, or anyone else for that matter, how to make their decision on their choice for President? Since it's a free county and since I take the time to research and analyze my choices, and since I vote according to my conscience shouldn't it be my right to vote any way I want?

You were the one saying thats why you didn't vote for him? I didn't put words in your mouth. You can vote for whoever you feel like, i could care less. My point was that if you were basing your vote on just one issue i really don't think thats quite right. And thats my opinion. And like i said its funny a president who says hes prolife goes and starts a war that kills 100s of thousands of civilians.

This post has been edited by Lysol54: 07 February 2008 - 04:49 PM

[dc]

You were the one saying thats why you didn't vote for him? I didn't put words in your mouth. You can vote for whoever you feel like, i could care less. My point was that if you were basing your vote on just one issue i really don't think thats quite right. And thats my opinion. And like i said its funny a president who says hes prolife goes and starts a war that kills 100s of thousands of civilians.

Here is a question for you to ponder.......if there would not have been a 9/11, would we be in Iraq right now? I will check back later to see what your answer is......