[LancCitizen]

I have to say I was surprised to see Mr. Warner come out publically against the Iraq War and, as a result, also opposed to Bush's policies. More and more republicans are joining the bandwagon.

This could be what brings us together through our differences. Maybe together, Democrat and Republican, we can do something to take our country back from what is becoming a dictatorial president.



It's becoming more and more common for people to stand up and say "I'm a republican and I support the republican party but I do not support President Bush" People are realizing that support of a single person does not equal support or lack of support for the entire party.

Regardless of what party you are part of, if any at all, do you support Bush himself?

[usedmeat]

Progressive/Liberal Democratic web sites have been calling for a pull out of troops but have opined that the current Dem leadership is too cowardly to take a stand. Bart at www.bartcop.com has stated that any opposition to Bush will have to come from dissafected republicans because Pelosi and Reid have shown that they lack the fortitude to do what Democrats elected them for.

There are rumblings from rank and file Dems about supporting several primary challenges against those Dems that have let the base down.

[Milton]

Let's remember that our Democratic-lead Congress has approval rating below that of our President.



And yes, I still support President Bush. I do not like everything he has done or stood for, but I still support the overall job he has done and think that our nation would have been worse off had we elected either Gore or Kerry.

[Shawn]

Let's remember that our Democratic-lead Congress has approval rating below that of our President.

And yes, I still support President Bush. I do not like everything he has done or stood for, but I still support the overall job he has done and think that our nation would have been worse off had we elected either Gore or Kerry.

Wow. I curious though. In what way, specifically, would the nation be "worse off" had Gore or Kerry been elected?



Later...Shawn

[Milton]

Wow. I curious though. In what way, specifically, would the nation be "worse off" had Gore or Kerry been elected?



Later...Shawn

I believe that our economy would have suffered to a greater extent, I believe that our taxes would have gown by leaps and bounds, I think that we would have suffered another terrorist attack and I think our international credibility would have diminished. I'm not saying I'm right, that's just what I believe.

[ArtVandolay]

Progressive/Liberal Democratic web sites have been calling for a pull out of troops but have opined that the current Dem leadership is too cowardly to take a stand. Bart at www.bartcop.com has stated that any opposition to Bush will have to come from dissafected republicans because Pelosi and Reid have shown that they lack the fortitude to do what Democrats elected them for.

There are rumblings from rank and file Dems about supporting several primary challenges against those Dems that have let the base down.

Go CINDY!



Bon Appetit!

[Wonder]

Milton said:

Let's remember that our Democratic-lead Congress has approval rating below that of our President.

And yes, I still support President Bush. I do not like everything he has done or stood for, but I still support the overall job he has done and think that our nation would have been worse off had we elected either Gore or Kerry

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I believe that our economy would have suffered to a greater extent, I believe that our taxes would have gown by leaps and bounds, I think that we would have suffered another terrorist attack and I think our international credibility would have diminished. I'm not saying I'm right, that's just what I believe.

I agree.... and voted yes, I support Mr. Bush, the seated President of the USA.

[Lancaster]

Milton said:



I agree.... and voted yes, I support Mr. Bush, the seated President of the USA.

I am not happy with the job Bush has done. I voted for him twice and would not again if I could. That said, I still support him as the leader of our country. I wish him no harm, and believe that for at least part of his terms that he did what he felt was right in his heart. I have respected the office since I was small, whether I liked the office holder or not. Hope that makes sense.



I honestly haven't been happy with any choices we have had for president since Reagan. I am a registered Repub, but find myself leaning more and more toward a Libertarian/Constitutional angle.



Supporting Dems or Repubs makes less sense each year I am alive.

[hahaha]

I have respected the office since I was small, whether I liked the office holder or not. Hope that makes sense.

Makes perfect sense! Wish more people had that much sense. This country would still be going up instead of down.

[citydweller]

and I think our international credibility would have diminished.

Would have been ?????

Hey Ichabod Crane, a few dozen countries stopped liking us over the last 8 years. You musta been napping.

[ArtVandolay]

Would have been ?????

Hey Ichabod Crane, a few dozen countries stopped liking us over the last 8 years. You musta been napping.

Like who gives a flyin' ****.



Our new friend from France is getting into the bomb Iran mode. Bout time the euros woke up and realized they have a major threat.



http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3442638,00.html





PS: I support W. Not in agreement with how the war was approached. I've said it many tines before, your Social Security will not be there when you will need it. Should have passed it.



But this weakling demo/Congress think they haved the pulse of the nation. It's great to see the Dem's hacking away at each other. Look at the Florida Primary mess! They finally let John Dean out from Lock and Key!



They consider the Gonzales resigning a major, major victory. Wait till how inept they are during the confirmation hearings. Remember what fools they made of themselves during the Alito and Roberts hearings?? It was hilarious and sad to watch Ed Kennedy & Co blithering.

[Artie See]

This country would still be going up instead of down.

This country is going down specifically because of the organized antagonism and hatred that has been sold to the public.

The tragedy of 9/11/2001 represents a tragically lost opportunity. Instead of being used to unify this country and much of the world, as the Pearl Harbor tragedy was two generations ago, it was followed shorty afterward with a huge push to attack anyone and anything that questioned official policy. Consequently, we have threads where people attack each other purely based on their political beliefs. This is the kind of division that, when left out of control, results in an internally divisive situation like the one currently being experienced by the people of Iraq.

We are all Americans, yet too many view their fellow countrymen and women as enemies. This is not acceptable. Whether we are Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, isn't the issue. The issue is what is best for ALL of us.

The flame wars that constantly erupt here are proof positive of just how far our country has fallen as a direct result of the policies of hate.

[Shawn]

I believe that our economy would have suffered to a greater extent, I believe that our taxes would have gown by leaps and bounds, I think that we would have suffered another terrorist attack and I think our international credibility would have diminished. I'm not saying I'm right, that's just what I believe.

Which specifi policies or actions would Kerry, for example, have enacted over the last 4 years that would have lead to these things happening (although, I'm sure you realize that they already have to a very large extent).



Later...Shawn

[harv1]

The hatred started in earnest, IMHO, when the Ken Starr witch hunt commenced. One by one, we saw republican by republican who stood and shouted about Clinton's Lewinsky debacle... one by one we saw these same congressmen found guilty of the same thing, and worse.

Bush had the opportunity to unite this country after 9/11 by invading Afghanistan to pursue and capture Bin Laden and to free the Afghani people from the Taliban (never mind that we had pumped millions into the Taliban's coffers prior to 9/11). I've been on this message board long enough to remember that most of us were in support of Bush's pursuit of Bin Laden.

Then it freaking fell apart with Iraq and the quagmire that they knowingly stepped into for all the wrong reasons.

Then Abu Ghiraib. And Guantanamo and the history lesson of why our country has held a moral high ground on such matters seems to be not learned and/or not worthy anymore to many people.

And it has fallen apart faster and deeper, nationally and economically, than many people could have imagined. When folks here say that if Kerry or Gore had been elected that taxes would have increased... We are billions in debt because of this war and the only way that those billions will be dealt with is taxation, deprivation of basic human needs and rights, and worse.

And all along, the smokescreen to lure conservative voters was the sanctity of heterosexual marriage, the 'dangers' of the 'homosexual agenda'... anything to bring in that vote. Today, another senator is found out, a senator who thumped on the sanctity of marriage and the anti-homosexual agenda and as far back as 1982 was on the FBI's radar for his closeted and drug activities. The hypocrisy of people like Larry Craig is sickening. Instead of being out and OK with himself, he supports and presses a hateful agenda to seemingly deflect suspicion instead of just coming out and being who he is. And in doing so, he does much more harm than good.

Nationally, there are many gay elected officials on the local, regional, state, and national level who are elected and re-elected by mainstream voters. There is no excuse for a closeted person to purposely vote against homosexual rights to hide their own sexuality by being vehemently opposed to deflect suspicion. And it is an affront to those who wouldn't vote for someone who is homosexual by lying to them. They should be given the choice. Why? Because they might change their mind and broaden their opinions. And if they don't want to, they would at least have the honest choice.

There is just so much 'do as I say' and 'not as I do' going around on both sides, there seemingly isn't ANY side to embrace. The Dems fell flat in their promise to 'elect us and we will change things' and I don't see one presidential candidate who inspires any kind of real confidence and optimism.

This post has been edited by harv1: 27 August 2007 - 11:41 PM

[usedmeat]

The Liberal net roots have made their displeasure known to our Democratic party leaders. They are on notice that things had better change when congress reconvenes or the net money will be drying up and quickly.

New flash, Milton. Had Al Gore been in the White House he would have continued with former president Bill Clinton's policies on tracking terrorism. 911 might have been thwarted or minimized.

I'm see that you are a typical republican live high on the hog and let your children and granchildren pay for it with interst.

Al least John Kerry got shot at in Vietnam while Bush was doing shots. He would have seen the troops got the supplies and armor they needed to complete their mission in Iraq.

But go ahead dream your little Rush dreams about our great and fearless leader. The master of disaster in the frog pond. Exploding frogs with firecrackers shoved down their throats sounds like a republicans wet dream.