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"The idea that what I want overrides what you want has increasingly become part of our thinking, our policies and even our laws. There is literally a federal case before the Supreme Court over the fact that many colleges and universities refuse to allow military recruiters on campus. Why? Because, as the academics will tell you, they are opposed to the military, either in general or because they think the military are discriminating against homosexuals or for whatever other reasons they have. These academics have every right to be against the military, for any reason or for no reason. If they don't like the military, they can stay away from the military, since there is no draft. But what they want is to keep other people away from the military, by preventing students from hearing what the military recruiters have to say, as students hear what recruiters from all sorts of other institutions and movements have to say on campus. The reason there is a legal issue is that a federal law has been passed, saying that colleges and universities that forbid military recruiters from coming on campus are no longer eligible to receive federal money. Academics are outraged. They see this law as a violation of their freedom—including their right to violate their students' freedom. It is classic spoiled brat politics, based on the idea that what I want overrides what you want." —Thomas Sowell
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 12:06 PM
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 01:47 PM
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"The idea that what I want overrides what you want has increasingly become part of our thinking, our policies and even our laws. There is literally a federal case before the Supreme Court over the fact that many colleges and universities refuse to allow military recruiters on campus. Why? Because, as the academics will tell you, they are opposed to the military, either in general or because they think the military are discriminating against homosexuals or for whatever other reasons they have. These academics have every right to be against the military, for any reason or for no reason. If they don't like the military, they can stay away from the military, since there is no draft. But what they want is to keep other people away from the military, by preventing students from hearing what the military recruiters have to say, as students hear what recruiters from all sorts of other institutions and movements have to say on campus. The reason there is a legal issue is that a federal law has been passed, saying that colleges and universities that forbid military recruiters from coming on campus are no longer eligible to receive federal money. Academics are outraged. They see this law as a violation of their freedom—including their right to violate their students' freedom. It is classic spoiled brat politics, based on the idea that what I want overrides what you want." —Thomas Sowell
You just dont have a clue do you mc ?
They dont want them there for one reason DISCRIMINATION . The military wont allow gays period. Under the rules of public education they arent allowed to dicriminate against anyone or allow any recruiter to come on campus to do it, the federal government is black mailing them with the threat of lost funding to force them to violate the very rules the tax payers(some who are gay) voted on to place on the schools.
Then again look where you got your information THOMAS SOWELL . A person who got to where he is because of the very rules he now opposes . And far right wing to boot. Hes a black Ann Coulter . Who by the way enjoyed the same rules also. Its not that they dont like the military as the wing nuts claim, its the DISCRIMINATION in the military just like if any company didnt allow blacks or women or the disabled to apply for a job.
Not one school said they are opposed to the military as a institution no matter how the right wing wants to spin it.
"I am far too informed to vote republican."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 01:55 PM
QUOTE(justaposter @ Oct 17 2005, 01:47 PM)
You just dont have a clue do you mc ?
They dont want them there for one reason DISCRIMINATION . The military wont allow gays period. Under the rules of public education they arent allowed to dicriminate against anyone or allow any recruiter to come on campus to do it, the federal government is black mailing them with the threat of lost funding to force them to violate the very rules the tax payers(some who are gay) voted on to place on the schools.
Then again look where you got your information THOMAS SOWELL . A person who got to where he is because of the very rules he now opposes . And far right wing to boot. Hes a black Ann Coulter . Who by the way enjoyed the same rules also. Its not that they dont like the military as the wing nuts claim, its the DISCRIMINATION in the military just like if any company didnt allow blacks or women or the disabled to apply for a job.
Not one school said they are opposed to the military as a institution no matter how the right wing wants to spin it.
They allow gays, they just don't want you to say your gay. I have a problem showering in an open setting knowing the guy next to me likes me more than women.
Its not discrimination for a guy to be all he can be, just don't include me... SORRY BUD!!!
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 03:42 PM
QUOTE(justaposter @ Oct 17 2005, 01:47 PM)
They dont want them there for one reason DISCRIMINATION .
Who is doing the discriminating? It seems to me some people at schools that receive fed $ think they can decide for the rest of the student body who will or will not be "allowed" on campus.
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The military wont allow gays period. Under the rules of public education they arent allowed to dicriminate against anyone or allow any recruiter to come on campus to do it,
What "rules of public education" are you talking about? Is there some law that says an organization or entity that limits its membership isn't allowed on campus? Wow, goodbye Greek System.
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the federal government is black mailing them with the threat of lost funding to force them to violate the very rules the tax payers(some who are gay) voted on to place on the schools.
It isn't blackmailing. It is a case of the feds putting conditions on free money. Nobody has a gun to the heads of the schools to accept the money.
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Then again look where you got your information THOMAS SOWELL . A person who got to where he is because of the very rules he now opposes . And far right wing to boot. Hes a black Ann Coulter.
Oh, so Sowell isn't qualified for his position? Is he just another "poor n*gger" who couldn't rise to prominence without the he'p of da What Man? You liberals are the biggest bunch of racists I've ever seen.
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Its not that they dont like the military as the wing nuts claim, its the DISCRIMINATION in the military just like if any company didnt allow blacks or women or the disabled to apply for a job.
Which disabled are allowed into the military? And it isn't a private corporation, it is the military paid for by taxes.
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Not one school said they are opposed to the military as a institution no matter how the right wing wants to spin it.
Irrelevant. You want protection from the military to spew anti-American gibberish in liberal colleges, you better allow the military on campus regardless of their policies on gays.
This post has been edited by mclaren: 17 October 2005 - 03:43 PM
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:24 PM
QUOTE(spindoctor @ Oct 17 2005, 12:55 PM)
They allow gays, they just don't want you to say your gay. I have a problem showering in an open setting knowing the guy next to me likes me more than women.
Its not discrimination for a guy to be all he can be, just don't include me... SORRY BUD!!!
LOL what makes you think they would want you ? A better question is WHY would you even think that you never have ? So what you are saying is that other guys that say they arent gay can look at you and its ok cause you really dont know if they are gay or not ? Get real you have a fear thats unfounded and one you can never be sure of unless you are watching them while they are watching you. And if you are watching them........................................
"I am far too informed to vote republican."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:45 PM
No other government/public institution is allowed to do it neither are they . Cry all you want fearing gays is a sign you might be afraid of your own sexuality .
It isn't blackmailing. It is a case of the feds putting conditions on free money. Nobody has a gun to the heads of the schools to accept the money.
Its not free money believe it or not gays pay the same taxes as you or me. Its our money straight and gay not the feds.And you call yourself republican or at least right wing.
Oh, so Sowell isn't qualified for his position? Is he just another "poor n*gger" who couldn't rise to prominence without the he'p of da What Man? You liberals are the biggest bunch of racists I've ever seen.
So what you are saying now is that he didnt use affirm. action to get where he got as far as his schooling ? Useing your racist views in your reply isnt working juinor.Discrimination isnt just used against black people. Sowell is a idiot that has nothing to do with his race even though you are trying to make it like it is.
Which disabled are allowed into the military?
Soldiers are over there now that are handicapped . Dont you follow real news ? Men who have lost limbs are in country that lost those limbs in the war. Pay attention.
And it isn't a private corporation, it is the military paid for by taxes.
You just shot down your whole whine mc. along with Sowells. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.. Let all gay people be allowed not to pay taxes to support the military and i will go along with it. No institution public or private or federal can discriminate thats the law. They want to do it they can stay off the campus.
It isn't blackmailing. It is a case of the feds putting conditions on free money. Nobody has a gun to the heads of the schools to accept the money.
Its not free money believe it or not gays pay the same taxes as you or me. Its our money straight and gay not the feds.And you call yourself republican or at least right wing.
Oh, so Sowell isn't qualified for his position? Is he just another "poor n*gger" who couldn't rise to prominence without the he'p of da What Man? You liberals are the biggest bunch of racists I've ever seen.
So what you are saying now is that he didnt use affirm. action to get where he got as far as his schooling ? Useing your racist views in your reply isnt working juinor.Discrimination isnt just used against black people. Sowell is a idiot that has nothing to do with his race even though you are trying to make it like it is.
Which disabled are allowed into the military?
Soldiers are over there now that are handicapped . Dont you follow real news ? Men who have lost limbs are in country that lost those limbs in the war. Pay attention.
And it isn't a private corporation, it is the military paid for by taxes.
You just shot down your whole whine mc. along with Sowells. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.. Let all gay people be allowed not to pay taxes to support the military and i will go along with it. No institution public or private or federal can discriminate thats the law. They want to do it they can stay off the campus.
"I am far too informed to vote republican."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:46 PM
QUOTE(justaposter @ Oct 17 2005, 05:24 PM)
LOL what makes you think they would want you ? A better question is WHY would you even think that you never have ? So what you are saying is that other guys that say they arent gay can look at you and its ok cause you really dont know if they are gay or not ? Get real you have a fear thats unfounded and one you can never be sure of unless you are watching them while they are watching you. And if you are watching them........................................
Well, personally if I caught them looking at me they'd get a lead pipe tatoo.. keep one in the saddle bag for just that occasion.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 08:23 PM
"Oh, so Sowell isn't qualified for his position? Is he just another "poor n*gger" who couldn't rise to prominence without the he'p of da What Man? You liberals are the biggest bunch of racists I've ever seen."
Couldn't you please just try to win an argument without putting some REALLY stupid spin on it?
Couldn't you please just try to win an argument without putting some REALLY stupid spin on it?
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 08:42 PM
QUOTE(darleneann @ Oct 17 2005, 08:23 PM)
"Oh, so Sowell isn't qualified for his position? Is he just another "poor n*gger" who couldn't rise to prominence without the he'p of da What Man? You liberals are the biggest bunch of racists I've ever seen."
Couldn't you please just try to win an argument without putting some REALLY stupid spin on it?
Couldn't you please just try to win an argument without putting some REALLY stupid spin on it?
Where the hey'd that come from.
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:35 AM
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Well, personally if I caught them looking at me they'd get a lead pipe tatoo.. keep one in the saddle bag for just that occasion.
You still would be looking at them to see if they were. So why would you be looking at naked men in the shower ? Dont tell me ..................................
Next questions, How do you know you dont go where they go ? Are you one of those people that knows a homosexual when you see one ? And how do you know where they hang out ? Do they have a special sign on the doors saying gay people hang here ? I take it you ride a bike , dont gay people ride bikes and go to bike rallies ?
"I am far too informed to vote republican."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
"It's not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy, It's the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely."
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 08:37 AM
QUOTE(justaposter @ Oct 17 2005, 05:45 PM)
So what you are saying now is that he didnt use affirm. action to get where he got as far as his schooling ? Useing your racist views in your reply isnt working juinor.Discrimination isnt just used against black people. Sowell is a idiot that has nothing to do with his race even though you are trying to make it like it is.
You made it about race, I didn't. I simply replied to your charge that he is "a idiot" who couldn't get his job without racial preference.
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Soldiers are over there now that are handicapped . Dont you follow real news ? Men who have lost limbs are in country that lost those limbs in the war. Pay attention.
I think you need to pay attention. I asked which disabled are allowed into the military, not which disabled are in the military. Big difference. Those who are disabled after their induction hold specific skills useful to the military. Those who cannot perform their job are released. Again, I ask you how many disabled are allowed into the military?
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You just shot down your whole whine mc. along with Sowells. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.. Let all gay people be allowed not to pay taxes to support the military and i will go along with it. No institution public or private or federal can discriminate thats the law. They want to do it they can stay off the campus.
We are talking about the business of killing and war, not answering a phone in a receptions office. I trust the generals who widely agree that homosexuality in the military hinders the effectiveness of the troops. The military discriminates every day. You must be shaven, you must be fit, you must be able to carry certain amounts of weight, you may not wear hair-pieces, you must dress in a certain way, etc. Also, other offices of the government discriminate: some don't allow people with poor credit or who have a history of drug use or violence or a criminal record. But your answer is to reply to "discrimination" with more discrimination. I'm not surprised.
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 08:39 AM
QUOTE(justaposter @ Oct 18 2005, 12:35 AM)
You still would be looking at them to see if they were. So why would you be looking at naked men in the shower ? Dont tell me ..................................
Next questions, How do you know you dont go where they go ? Are you one of those people that knows a homosexual when you see one ? And how do you know where they hang out ? Do they have a special sign on the doors saying gay people hang here ? I take it you ride a bike , dont gay people ride bikes and go to bike rallies ?
Obviously you are a _____ bye
