Crash with entrapment in Mount Joy Township Options

[Lancaster Online]

[r2010]

en⋅trap⋅ment
noun
1. the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.
2. an act or process of entrapping.
3. a state of being entrapped.

Get a brain LOL writer.... there is a difference between being trapped in a wreck and being "entrapped." Entrapment is a term used involving a criminal act. Don't borrow terms. Am I a lawyer? No! I am more honest than that. But I don't have to be a lawyer or need a Harvard law degree to know the difference between what being trapped in a wreck is, and what "entrapment" really means.

[WGM1171]

They just 'borrowed' the term from the Lancaster County 911 website. It is common for the 911 center to use the term "entrapment" when referring to a vehicle accident, fire, or other situation in which a human being is unable to extricate themselves from the situation. Don't get too hung up on semantics...

[r2010]

So now the Lancaster County 911 web site is using improper terms?

"Don't get too hung up on semantics..."

The problem is that words are being borrowed to fit unrelated circumstances.
It is the same with the overkill of use of the word "as" in sentences in which the
word doesn't belong. I think the problem is that people aren't getting hung up
enough on semantics anymore. It seems as though it is becoming a lost art.

Example:
"Uh yes captain....there is entrapment here. Could you send over pump number 3 as
my hose became shut off."

Anyway, I hope it all worked out good for the trapped people.

[Maffimuk]

en⋅trap⋅ment
noun
1. the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.
2. an act or process of entrapping.
3. a state of being entrapped.

Get a brain LOL writer.... there is a difference between being trapped in a wreck and being "entrapped." Entrapment is a term used involving a criminal act. Don't borrow terms. Am I a lawyer? No! I am more honest than that. But I don't have to be a lawyer or need a Harvard law degree to know the difference between what being trapped in a wreck is, and what "entrapment" really means.

Listen here Mister Dictionary.com, your quoted definition defines entrapment perfectly, you just forgot to go a step further and look up entrapped. If IU-13 is passing out refunds you might want to stop by.

From NHTSA:

Entrapment
Refers to persons being partially or completely in the vehicle and mechanically restrained by a damaged vehicle component. Jammed doors and immobilizing injuries, by themselves, do not constitute entrapment. Occupants pinned by cargo shift are not considered to be entrapped. Occupants who are completely or partially ejected and subsequently become pinned by their own vehicle and any surface other than their own vehicle are not considered entrapped. An occupant whose seat belt buckle release mechanism is jammed as a result of a crash is not considered entrapped. (NHTSA2)


This post has been edited by Maffimuk: Nov 20 2009, 02:06 AM

[r2010]

Listen here Mister Dictionary.com, your quoted definition defines entrapment perfectly, you just forgot to go a step further and look up entrapped. If IU-13 is passing out refunds you might want to stop by.

From NHTSA:

Entrapment
Refers to persons being partially or completely in the vehicle and mechanically restrained by a damaged vehicle component. Jammed doors and immobilizing injuries, by themselves, do not constitute entrapment. Occupants pinned by cargo shift are not considered to be entrapped. Occupants who are completely or partially ejected and subsequently become pinned by their own vehicle and any surface other than their own vehicle are not considered entrapped. An occupant whose seat belt buckle release mechanism is jammed as a result of a crash is not considered entrapped. (NHTSA2)

Well you listen back here Einstein...just because the term is used by NHTSA doesn't make the term official just because they use it. Any institution can pluck a correct term out of thin air and use it because it sounds effective for their purpose. And NHTSA is no exception. NHTSA isn't in the English dictionary business, so calling trapped entrapment doesn't qualify them to change the original meaning either. But they can if it suits them. When someone is in a wreck, they become "trapped" in the vehicle by the natural destruction process. Entrapment applies to someone who takes advantage of someone else by putting them in an inescapable disadvantage, to exploit them. Entrapment is a deliberate meaning.

O' ye wiser person than me, don't discredit what I said by accusing me of learning the correct original meaning from dictionaries. The word "ain't" has been used so many times that the dictionary professors have accepted it to print as a word, even though it was never a real correct word. Maybe NHTSA can get their version of "entrapment" included in the dictionary too to make it official. If you want to use "entrapment" in this manner, that's your right to talk silly, but I won't. I try to keep things simple instead of pulling words out of their context to make me sound smart like somebody else. Don't insult my intelligence with your IU-13 smear.

Improper:
He was "entrapped" in his bedroom by flames "as" a cigarette "created" a fire.

More Proper:
He was trapped in his bedroom by flames because a cigarette started a fire.

Is that hard?

This post has been edited by r2010: Nov 20 2009, 05:50 AM

[Maffimuk]

Well you listen back here Einstein...just because the term is used by NHTSA doesn't make the term official just because they use it. Any institution can pluck a correct term out of thin air and use it because it sounds effective for their purpose. And NHTSA is no exception. NHTSA isn't in the English dictionary business, so calling trapped entrapment doesn't qualify them to change the original meaning either. But they can if it suits them. When someone is in a wreck, they become "trapped" in the vehicle by the natural destruction process. Entrapment applies to someone who takes advantage of someone else by putting them in an inescapable disadvantage, to exploit them. Entrapment is a deliberate meaning.

O' ye wiser person than me, don't discredit what I said by accusing me of learning the correct original meaning from dictionaries. The word "ain't" has been used so many times that the dictionary professors have accepted it to print as a word, even though it was never a real correct word. Maybe NHTSA can get their version of "entrapment" included in the dictionary too to make it official. If you want to use "entrapment" in this manner, that's your right to talk silly, but I won't. I try to keep things simple instead of pulling words out of their context to make me sound smart like somebody else. Don't insult my intelligence with your IU-13 smear.

Improper:
He was "entrapped" in his bedroom by flames "as" a cigarette "created" a fire.

More Proper:
He was trapped in his bedroom by flames because a cigarette started a fire.

Is that hard?

I apologize for the IU 13 comment, I shouldn't have said that.

Within the definition of entrapment is entrapped. Entrapped means to trap (broadly). You're probably right, it developed as a term used exclusively in accident investigation terminology.

[r2010]

I apologize for the IU 13 comment, I shouldn't have said that.

Within the definition of entrapment is entrapped. Entrapped means to trap (broadly). You're probably right, it developed as a term used exclusively in accident investigation terminology.

Thanks for the comment. Your type of response is rare these days.

[Bustina di tè]

I was on an enthusiast site to look up information on changing the oil on a family members car. I drive domestic, this is Japanese.
Anyway the dictionary police were going on about the difference between the words engine and motor. The self appointed Webster pointing out that the term motorboat is incorrect, it should be powerboat.
That got me to thinking that if I were a member of that site, I would relate that I took my Honda powercycle to the Enginecycle shop for service. But I figured it would be lost on the would be Noah.
You see that's the beauty of the English language, it's dynamic instead of rigidly structured.
If you need the precision required for medicine and law use Latin. If you need a language that is intuitive in it's adaptability to a rapidly changing world American English is it.

Hopefully the victims aren't too banged up.

[Salva Veritate]

So now the Lancaster County 911 web site is using improper terms?

"Don't get too hung up on semantics..."

The problem is that words are being borrowed to fit unrelated circumstances.
It is the same with the overkill of use of the word "as" in sentences in which the
word doesn't belong. I think the problem is that people aren't getting hung up
enough on semantics anymore. It seems as though it is becoming a lost art.

Example:
"Uh yes captain....there is entrapment here. Could you send over pump number 3 as
my hose became shut off."

Anyway, I hope it all worked out good for the trapped people.

I agree with you. The art of semantics is being lost. My friends will ride my azz for using specific terms which I feel need to be used for semantics. You can't have a debate if semantics are not going to be used.

Thank Zeus I'm not the only one who feels this way!

[r2010]

I agree with you. The art of semantics is being lost. My friends will ride my azz for using specific terms which I feel need to be used for semantics. You can't have a debate if semantics are not going to be used.

Thank Zeus I'm not the only one who feels this way!

I thought I was alone too. Hehehehe....sometimes I wonder why people say "I 'could' care less"
when what they probably mean is "I couldn't care less." The word "could" means that there is still room left not to care.

[A1]

I thought I was alone too. Hehehehe....sometimes I wonder why people say "I 'could' care less"
when what they probably mean is "I couldn't care less." The word "could" means that there is still room left not to care.

Entrapment has numerous meanings, but if you want to limit yourself to the legal definition, I "could" care less.

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